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Different forms of D.spatulata

As there are several different forms of D.spatulata around, I thought it would be a good idea to see all of them in one topic. If you like this idea post pictures of your forms of spatulata here.

I will start with pics of the 3 forms i now have as adults:

A form I got as In-Vitro culture of unknown origin:

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A form I got as D.sp 'Auyan Tepui' and turned out to be D.spatulata:

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And finally, a form from Mt.Hudson, Gt.Barrier Is in New Zealand:

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Hope you like it!!

Sebastian Vieira
 
Here are a couple pics of mine. This one is labeled as spat AWC-1 that I got from Copper. (thanks Rose
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Enjoy

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Steve
 
Does anybody know which type "Little Pot Of Horrors" supplies to places like Home Depot?
 
Nice photos Seb! As to different forms, man is that an understatement! I can't believe the variability that is lumped under this species! Reviewing the various key descriptions for the various species throughout the world, it is difficult for me to accept that all these forms should be regarded as one species since the details of nearly every stucture commonly used to differentiate one species from another are different in different populations. Still, geographic isolation can cause some remarkable evolutionary changes, and considering that the plants are island dwellers (and many with an alpine tendency) maybe I shouldn't be so surprised at the demonstration of different phenotypes.

AS an aside, the AWC1 designation is mine, part of my numbering system in my collection. This lets me know the origin of the material, in this case from a commercial interest that mistakenly marketed this as Drosera communis for many years.

I no longer keep a website per se, but photos of my plants may be seen at the following links:

http://206.103.248.175/tamlin_post/photos_page_2/Drosera_spatulata_AWM-1_r.jpg

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http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF...._3r.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF....03r.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF...._5r.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF....r2r.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF...._3r.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF...._2r.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF...._7r.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF....r_r.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF....3_1.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF....r1r.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF....o8r.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF....a2r.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF...._1r.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF...._1r.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF....s_r.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF...._1r.jpg

http://www.sherlock-droserae.com/UploadF...._1r.jpg

Note that D. spatulata "Suzy Q" is an invalid name at present, although this should soon be rectified. Drosera 'Tamlin' should be published any day now, and may be seen as legitimate. All letter and numerical designations are for my personal reference, are invalid, and probably best not used outside of my immediate circle. I wouldn't want to create any confusion, and I see these designations appearing here and there as the plants I have shared spread throughout the world.

Of all the forms of D. spatulata, I am most attracted to the white flowered New Zealand forms. Bruce Salmon addresses these plants admirably in his book "Carnivorous plants of New Zealand" , and from what I have seen of it it is highly recommended. The New Zealand alpine forms are more difficult in my cultivation, but very beautiful plants. I think my favorite is the less red colored plants from the Ahipara gumfields.

The examples from Borneo are usually smaller, and with very unique features. The "sp. Borneo" plants in circulation also have extremely glandular retentive glands for most of their length, and only a few flowers on a short and thin scape. I also grow a form from Bako, Borneo with similar features.

Then there are the larger, white flowered forms (of which D. 'Tamlin' is one) from Australia with their higher ploidy counts. These are also very beautiful, having a rich orange rust coloration. D. "lovellae" is one of these types, although I have been cautioned by my mentors that the name is best abandoned since the research regarding the original collection of this type ( a single collection) was "dodgy at best". Plants from Fraiser Island (forgive my spelling if I have it wrong) is of a similar type.

D. spatulata has the rep of being a common plant, but I can tell you, it is none the less a beautiful and interesting species, full of surprises, and can teach a person much regarding the taxonomy of the genus in general.

One of the most reliable defining characteristics (apart from the seed testa) is in the open reflexed nature of the seed pods after the flowers have closed. In this species, the sepals do not clasp the seed pod, but remain relexed, giving the pod a star like look when viewed from above. This is apparently a feature unique to this species, and more dependable I think than other details which are more inconsistent in different populations.

I am not familiar with the form in Little Pot of Horrors, not having grown this plant. I seem to recall seeing a photo of it once, and it appeared to be to be the "Kansai" form that is a probable hybrid with D. rotundifolia, but I am not certain of this. The Kansai form is typified by a long narrow petiole widening at the end to a roundish lamina. The tentacles are almost exclusively confined to the traps, appearing abruptly at the end of the petiole, and not on the petiole itself.

The plant I am most interested in at present is D. spatulata from the Gympie area in Australia, which has hairy sepals. If anyone knows a source for this, I am very interested in cultivating it.
 
Thanks for the info Tamlin. I will drop the AWC-1 tag. Do you know what type this plant actually is?

Thanks
Steve

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Welcome back to the forum
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One of Ivan's creations, Drosera spatulata ‘wentworth x woroura x Gympie’:

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Here's a form I call D. spatulata "capillaris, double ovary" - that's what I got it labeled as. After growing it for a while I found that it was neither d. capillaris, nor had a double ovary. Still a nice plant, though.

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Speaking of which, I was wondering if there was a tried-and-true way to distinguish the oh-so-variable D. spatulata from D. capillaris? For example, your shots of the spatulata from Ahipara, NZ closely resemble the capillaris I grow from Tate's #### Swamp, FL:

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Any ideas? True, looking at labels generally works, but when seeds are mislabeled and weeds pop up here and there, it would be nice to have a clue how to ID these things.

Thanks for any help!

-noah
 
Add some of wild spatulata,some may reposted.
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Pictures were taken in different locations of Hong Kong,they may the same form I think???
 
Noah,

Very interesting plants you have there, especially that Drosera spatulata ‘wentworth x woroura x Gympie’. I assume the seed will be fertile.

As to the question of ID, as I said above, the seed pods reflexed appearance would be the most reliable detail I think. The Tates #### plant of D. capillaris certainly does bear a striking resembelence to the Ahipara D. spatulata! I can assure you that my plants are indeed D. spatulata from the NZ populations since the original seed was field collected. I am very interested in seed from the Tate's #### type of D. capillaris, none of my seed germinated from the ICPS seedbank.

Another good determinator is the seed testa. I think Christian has some photo's up on Bob Z's site of both species, and they are very easy to tell apart.
 
I grow 4 types: D.spat #1 from Copper,D.spat #2 also from copper,D.spatulata "frasier islands"? from Copper as well,and finaly D.tokaiensis(aka. D.spatulata "kansai",D.rotundifolia x spatulata "kanto) The D.spat #1 is sending up a flower stalk and the roset is very handsom and large, 2+in. and when I repoted it it had 4 in. roots !
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Hi Tamlin,

The seed is indeed fertile! This hybrid is very nice in a group planting, as some flowers turn out white while others are pink, as you could imagine. Very pleasing effect.

My d. capillaris Tate's #### Swamp only recently started flower, but I shall send you seed once it sets.

cheers,

-noah
 
  • #11
Just to clear up an all too common spelling mistake relating to a form of D. spatulata originating from a location off the north-eastern coast of Australia. I think that I am yet to see the location spelt correctly. Being an Australian I may sound a bit petty, but I cringe whenever I see the mistake.

The form I am referring to is Drosera spatulata 'Fraser Island'.

Fraser Island (not Frasier as it is usually spelt by growers) is the largest sand island in the world and has large populations of D.spatulata, binata and various other species. It is also the habitat of the form known as D. spatulata var. lovellae, previously known as D. lovellae.

So everybody, please fix up your labels
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Sean.
 
  • #12
D. spatulata 'Lowes'...
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  • #13
Thanks for the spelling correction Sean, I have ammended my growlist.

I just had my first look at the Gympie form of D. spatulata from photos just sent to me by Robert Gibson. The flower on this form is very surprising in its size, and I wish I had a higher resolution photo of it to share.  Sometimes I think Robert is telepathic.  It's almost like he knew of this topic.

Regarding D. spatulata "lovellae" growers of this form should check their flowers to make sure the syle and ovaries of their plants are in groups of four, and not three as is common with this species.

Pondboy, please note that The “Kansai” Form = D. tokaiensis, not the "Kanto" form as your post states.
 
  • #14
Thanks Seandew! I've been waiting for someone knowledgeable to post the correct spelling!

SF
 
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special feature after rain.
D.spathulata and D.spatulata
Are they the same
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sorry ,my english is limited
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  • #17
William,
Aha! So YOU'RE who designated that AWC label on my spats that Vertigo (Owen) sent me! Boy, they're cute little buggers. I forget their label number, though. I'll have to check.
 
  • #18
Schloaty,

These days I am not sure of much, but, yes, 'twas I. Other D. spatulata designations form my collection are AWM1, PTC1, and AWK1.

It is argueable that these designations are in fact useful, since they do allow for seggregation and discussion of their varied forms. Since all were received as seed supposedly of other species, there is no other means of seggregating them for purposes of discussion. I don't feel they are distinct enough to warrant publications as cultivars, so although the use is illegitimate, it is still useful, at least in a limited trade circle. Carnibank (which I support with my seed donations) evidently agress, since they have kept the designations intact. It is up to the individual as to whether or not they want to keep them , or simply drop them.

My objections to illegitimate naming are when a grower assigns an incorrect species name and then appends false collection data to it, which is a whole other ball of knots than adding descriptors in "double quotes". Anything written like this, e.g. Drosera capensis "Giant", has to be taken with a large grain of salt. No legitimately published material will ever appear in this form.

Now I am seeing plants circulating of D. spatulata "Auyan Tepui" which is a real goof since D. spatulata is an Indo/Australian species. To my mind, if someone has material that might be considered consonant with other Brazillian species, they should in fact rename it, since "Sp. Auyan Tepui" now has a bad reputation!

It really is a moot point. The only folk that really care about these things are those involved in academic studies, and none such would ever use material lacking known location data, or shouldn't!
 
  • #19
This topic is very intersting until now, anyone with more different forms??
 
  • #20
Pinguiculaman has one from Hong Kong that is a beautiful miniature form which should be published as a cultivar very soon in the CPN: "Ruby Slippers".
 
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