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    Well I'm saying that what if I wanted to keep that particular plant. Suppose it just did a varigation on the leaves. Your telling me that I cannot keep that plant? I must sell it, I cannot purchase it from myself?

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    If that were the case it simply shouldn't be listed as for sale and there would be no argument. At my pals greenhouse anything not for sale has a red tag and no price on it. It says that on signs here and there so everyone knows those are the breeders. Imagine walking up to a counter at best buy with a CD of a band you like and the guy says that's the last copy so you can't buy it. What kind of argument would you have, you have the $ and theres a pricetag...

    My position is that it's discrimination and I would not do such a thing, yank something out of someones hands and tell them you just now decided it's not for sale. That certainly doesn't mean that I wouldn't try and talk an inexperienced or let's use the word "unprepared" person out of buying such a demanding plant unless they had build a chamber for it. I remember when you were growing highland neps by placing frozen water jugs in your tank every night, so everyone has to start somewhere.

    As an ocasional vendor, far as I'm concerned, the plants are fine when they leave me, it's up to the customer to keep it alive. All my ads say that too! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img] If the little fink kills it that's not really my fault. I do what I can with educating my customers. I've got a website describing how I care for the plants (ok, I'm rebuilding it after the server crash but no plants are available yet anyway), how to build the grow chambers and every darn thing else I can think of to ramble on about concerning these plants. If they don't have enough interest to read it there's nothing I can do to force them to read it.
    Enough of that, if we disagree we disagree no sense getting all loopy over this hypothetcal sale.

    Yes, the charcoal is merely there as a way to add aeration, look for a charcoal which is about 1/2" long chips smaller than that size can become compacted. The brand Fertiloam is easily available and has larger chunks. If anything just tear open the sack at the store and look at it, most have a zip lock top so just zip it closed when youre done and no one will know.

    Yes, be sure and rinse your materials (bark/charcoal/etc) with r/o or distilled water a few times to remove any excess salts. dust, etc that may be present before mixing and planting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (nepenthes gracilis @ Feb. 16 2006,10:18)]
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    Quote[/b] ]First, no matter what you "feel" you CAN NOT deny a sale to someone if they have the money in hand and you have the product.
    Sure you can. If I had my only seed grown plant of N. villosa left, I have my right as a vendor to declare that private property do I not?
    I guess it depends on what kind of vendor you are. Some may purely be in it for the profit and are not collectors themselves.
    The Mansell's from Exotica, I would imagine, plan to keep a certain amount of plants for stock plants(like N. 'Predator', for example) that they can use for cuttings and breeding, but all the other seedlings are sale items.
    If you feel you do not have available product for the general public, then you don't.

    Cheers,

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    see my last posts first paragraph as to how a commercial/collector nursery handles their special stock! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]

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    Unless you're discriminating on the basis of a legally prohited form of discrimination, then you can target any market you like. You can refuse to sell a car to a 12-year-old, you can chose not to sell to a house to someone whose renovation intentions you don't like... Exotica will sell certain plants to some customers but not others, many nurseries discriminate between wholesale and retail clients for example. That's market economics for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Exotica will sell certain plants to some customers but not others,
    What's the reasoning behind this? Have you actaully seen them take a plant from someones hands and place it back on a bench and send them out of the store?

    ...there's no 12 year olds driving around here but me! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif[/img]

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    I've been reading this thread with interest to glean any more info on growing edwardsiana. Obviously, very few people have any experience with this.

    I agree with NG's initial assertion that people without experience - regardless of age - should pass on this opportunity - at least that's what I think he said, since I only have a 50% chance of understanding his tone anyway, I didn't bother to reread his post. I also believe the vendor can sell the plants to whomever he wants. Have you ever seen signs in a restaraunt that say, "We reserve the right to refuse service..."? If a restaraunt can do it, why not a retailer?

    Having only grown Neps for 6 years, I decided to pass for a variety of reasons. Without much growing info, small size and high price, (even if it is relatively cheap, it is a lot of money to spend on a plant that might die), and the fact that TC specimens will be available in a few years, kept me from reserving any. I cut my teeth 5 years ago on killing 2 rajahs and 3 lowiis among other plants, which I now grow successfully. Experience and having a support group have really helped.

    One other point, it is easier to grow highlanders in this climate, so here it would be better for newbies to start with them, before they move onto lowlanders. Now lets see how many people misunderstand my points.
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    very true, my house is pretty poor for most lowlanders though my speckled amp is on a mission to prove me wrong. highlanders like bongso and ephippiata are doing wonderful for me with minimal care(no active heating or cooling, just my normal household temps, im just watering and helping out with humidity). the amp is wierd thoug, daily highs of about 75 and nights at about 55 right now and its growing like a weed...........go figure..........
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