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    Well said swords, VERY well said.

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    I just came acros this topic.. and have something to add:

    First, some pictures taken at the growchamber of Malesiana Tropicals, who have a really nice specimens of N. edwardsiana. (and the only one i've ever seen in cultivation! No other cultivar , exept the above ,so far could provide a picture soo far as i know)

    As i cannot comment all the things said in the previous 15 ! pages, i will restrict me to the follow:

    It seems to be nearly impossible to cultivate this species in culture. The substrate seems to be the problem, according to the gardener at Malesiana.. (Personnaly i'm not too sure if this is true, rather a PR statement?)

    Legitimacy of seeds: To illustrate, if you steal a thing an sell it, the buyer can get with "god faith" but never gets the propper propriety of the object, as the vendor lacks the propriety title.
    In casu: a plant/seed taken in the wild and without permission as described earlier, will never become a "legal" specimen. Even with permission of an US Authority, as the Malesian authority initially refused it.
    Thats a fact, its not like in the Church, where one gets an absolution.
    The fact, that prominent cultivars and botanical gardens grow them, or an authority sends them back means nothing! The big nurserys will know that, else these N. edwardsiana would be on the market..
    It is only a compromise of destroying a rare and already existing plant or give them to the right hands.. and let them survive.

    And here i support very much the idea of giving/selling these seedlings only to EXPERIENCED growers. Among privats, the problem of exchanging "initially illegal collected" species should not be such a problem, as for big commercial nurserys. They only can work with legally obtained material..

    The responsability lies in the hands of the cultivar, who obtains such rare plants.. and his skills and determination!
    Often a setup for Highland nepentes and Orchids comes along with a big investments of time and money. Private collection can have both!

    A true dilemma!

    Regards from Berne
    Olivier

    PS: the pics

    1: http://www.firstiwasblind.ch/oli/pics/1000976.jpg

    2:http://www.firstiwasblind.ch/oli/pics/1000977.jpg

    3:http://www.firstiwasblind.ch/oli/pics/1000978.jpg

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    Nice photos there! I see it is growing next to an N. fusca but I can't make out the location data. I don't suppose the gardener at malesiana didn't give you any specifics about the "pixie dust" they have in the soil? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif[/img]

    As far as these specific plants being "on the market" the seller is limiting purchasers to 2 seedlings no matter who they are so these seed grown ones probly won't be shipped off to garden centers across the US where that many 14 year olds will be able to get at them anyway. And he certainly isn't going to ship them off to someone who doesn't pay for them after dedicating 3 years and part of his nursery (and it's expenses) to getting them this far.

    Rumors are flying (as they usually do) that it's in TC and soon more people will be able to partake of the species. As we've seen already with Wistubas laboratory, rare Nepenthes in TC become very inexpensive within just year or two once the stocks have built up. I sure wish I'd waitied til now to start buying Neps! But TC stocks will certainly ease the "public desire" for seed grown specimens. It does perplex me a great deal that with these prices (for plants already in cultivation) that people still report seed being collected from anything other than the newest discoveries. But that sort of thing may never be combatted because there will always be people who MUST have a wild plant.

    However, I respect what Robert is doing by spreading these seedlings (from unsolicited seed donation) thinly, to a number of growers in hopes that as many plants will survive as possible. I do think the price will keep most inexperienced growers without a suitable environment at bay cos I think if they were cheap far more kids would be all over it. As far as those who are inexperienced/illequipped and still manage to get them I doubt there'll be any way to guard against that entirely. Once the TC clones are out is it any less of a "crime" to have a kid kill one of those?

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    anyone have any more pictures pleeeaase (dry voice) hehe

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    is this Robert the one giving out the seeds? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/confused.gif[/img]
    Everything is explainable. The seemingly unexplainable is but a result of our insufficient knowledge.- Hans Brewer

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    [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_l_32.gif[/img] c'mon now
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    Olivier
    Thank you for that post. Perhaps now the people that I have discussed with in the topic will now see why I just think its a good idea to sell them to experienced growers.

    No brainer. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img]

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    We all see your point NG. Some of us just have a different perspective about it.

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