how long does it take for edwardsiana to mature and flower?
And again most people don't care about poaching as long as it happens far away. Nearly all commercially available adult tuberous drosera are poached and so are these fine Nepenthes.Originally Posted by [b
Then why are so many crying loudly about Sarracenia poaching...?
I don't recall anyone saying they were poached in this thread, so that's sort of new information for some of us. It begs the question, however, as to why there aren't legitimate N. edwardsiana in cultivation? Wouldn't a select few TC specimens alleviate the pressure to poach?
It seems that in the case of Sarracenia, there are legitimate ways to get pretty much any of them, and my guess is that the commercial availability has reduced greatly the pressure to poach.
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And if poached, and proagated and those are propagated...when do they leave the black market and enter the white?
Somebody pointed out to me that all green S. jonesii are from orignal poached material, but many growers have material derived from that collection.
All I can say is many have tried to obtain permits, and none other than Malesiana Tropicals that I am aware of have ever been permitted. It has been suggested to the Management Authority that it would be in the conservation interests of the species to allow a controlled seed collection for tissue culture purposes to be shared amongst several commercial organisations, with some sort of profit share, but it has been rejected. Nevertheless, it is a protected species and collected other than with a permit is illegal. Even to set foot on the Marai Parai without a permit is illegal.
As Malesiana only has its own specimens of edwardsiana in its nursery, and has not commercialised or tissue cultured it that I'm aware of, all other source of edwardsiana must have been collected without a permit. Which is illegal. I'm not seeking to justify or criticise the policy or the law, I'm simply pointing out that, based on my information from the management of the National Park, the only party to have ever been granted a permit is Malesiana. So if you buy edwardsiana from anyone other than Malesiana the material would have to be illegally obtained. Which is why neither Borneo Exotics or Wistuba have this species. Rob Cantley would love to propagate edwardsiana, but will not be involved in illegal collections, and I'm sure Andreas is the same.
Joe, as for your question, my own view is that all material, no matter how distant from the original illegal act, is tainted. It is open to debate. If nobody bought poached material, the incentive to poach would be greatly reduced.
You seem to have delved into this quite a bit. I was not aware the only legal collection was allowed to Malesiana-ironic the only fruit of their labors is a hybrid-I assume that is how they ended up with the burbidgea(that was the other plant, right?) hybrid. Unless they have something else cooking...
Why did they get a shot? Was this Ch'ien's influence? I would think if it was allowed once, it would be allowed again, at some point.
Thanks for the info.
The hybrid you mention was actually from a collection of burbidgeae seed, so it's burbidgeae x edwardsiana. As to why Malesiana has and hasn't done various things is a long and torturous story. Needless to say Malesiana could have done much with Nepenthes, but it decided to move away from Nepenthes and focus on gingers and aroids. Their Nepenthes business at present is basically a 'legacy' business, sales from existing stock and TC lines, and no new development is being done. It is a pity as they are the only nursery with N. klossii in cultivation. There are other rare cultivars they have of common species which deserve propagation, but again, nothing will come of it.
I am aware of a move to seek a permit to collect edwardsiana seed by a botanical garden, so it may succeed purely on the basis that the seedlings will be distributed amongst botanical gardens and not private collectors. I know an individual who is lobbying for a permit, but he does not expect to be successful, he'll probably end up with a permit to enter to take photos.
awesome picture of edwardsiana walter G!!!! man! look at the color on that plant!!!!...talk about envy!!!! ahhhh! any more pics from that plant??
Sure would like to have one, someday! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_h_32.gif[/img]
Why is it that we always accuse others of poaching at the first sign of a rare species on the market? Maybe this source got their edwardsiana in a trade with malesiana. Maybe the plants come from material collected years ago before there were strict laws. Either we are speaking too quickly or we are guilty, too. If we KNOW this person poached based on our own information, we should report them to the authorities and have it investigated before we accuse them on a public forum.
EDIT: Just so you know, I hate poaching, too. I just don't like hurting people's feelings if they didn't do anything wrong! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]
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