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    One thing skipped on this thread, is that some of us have no idea that they are buying something that may have come from poached material. Yes, yes, ignorance is no escuse to some, but a year-and-a-half ago, if I saw one of these on a price list(and had good conditions to grow it), I would have bough it w/o thinking about it.
    I remember within the last year. somebody with the user name "Root" posted a pic of his N. edwardsiana, and got blasted so hard, that not only were posts edited (the pics were removed before I even saw them), but this person has not posted since, that I am aware of.

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    his profile is gone...hes no longer with us.....BUT HE DESERVES IT!!!!!!
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    No, the 'not illegal' reference is to clipeata only. Clipeata is not protected, which is a great shame, but it wouldn't make much difference anyway. All Neps in Kinabalu National Park are, you need a permit to collect seed there. Edwardsiana is in a special category because not only are you not allowed to collect seed without a permit, you can't even enter the part of the park it grows in without a permit.

    As for well-known people being reliable sources, I know of one well-known Nepenthes nurseryman who dug up protected Nepenthes species in the wild, so there's plenty of dodgy stuff in cultivation, and hybrids made from illegally collected plants. It's not just Neps, the damage that orchid collectors have done over the years is legendary. Where ever there are collectors, there will be illegal trade.

    As for jacquelineae etc, as far as I know, they don't grow in National Parks, so collection only requires a general seed-collection permit. In Indonesia, the collection of Nepenthes seed anywhere is illegal without a permit. Malaysia, The Philippines, Thailand and PNG don't have prohibitions that I'm aware of, other than in National Parks.
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    I think the real reason people scream about Sarracenia poaching in the States is because number one, our laws are ridiculous over here, it seems anyone with money can twist any law mkaing body, and plus we have a republican in office...and a war nut. So that doesn't help us out at all. Nepenthes poaching doesn't seem to bother the masses because 1, we don't live where Nepenthes are on the roadsides 2 we are ignorant and 3 we don't have a clue, no pictures, fact reports or anything of the land cleared/developed that is being said is being developed. I think most Nepenthes growers, esp. in the US have a hard time believing a little country like Borneo/Sumatra can actually develop land, since most people find it hard to believe other people can actually clear a forest.

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    Wow that is for certain, Nep G. Not a single sarr got poached in '99 but when we got that republican in office in '00 open the floodgates, cause there will be no more natural growing sarracenia. If you wish to say are laws are to easy on poachers then say so and I will agree, but don't act as if they are any different then in '99 nor will then be any different if a democrat gets elected in '08. We let those that have the money decide what land gets cleared, makes no difference who is in office.
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    Anybody know if the source of the edwardsiana is out of town or something? I can't get in touch with this person.

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    I got a reply from him today and asked him point blank about the plants told him to call me if he felt like it. I'll post any info he sends back. Enough beating around the bush...

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    Folks, here is the reply from the N. edwardsiana guy:

    "Hi Josh,

    Thank you for bringing potential rumors to my attention.

    While I have no way of generating/obtaining any kind of certificate (for each seedling), I can say that these plants were grown from seed which was donated to me for research and propagation purposes. No plants were poached and I've never received nor would I accept a poached plant. After appearing in National Geographic, years ago, I started getting seed donations from all over. Most of the seed was dead, but some was viable. After repeated success and publishing an article on the subject, I guess others felt I was a good bet to get plants established from seed. Anyway, I've been growing this species for a number of years.Trying to spread seedlings around takes years. The seedlings are very slow. The ones I'm shipping this season are over three years old.

    I can see no problem with owning these plants. If I had anything to hide, I wouldn't be publishing articles about them, now would I? To be legally correct, N.edwardsiana is under Appendix 2 of CITES, with seed being legal to ship without a CITES permit (as I understand). The only Appendix 1 Nepenthes, with even seed restricted are N.khasiana and N.rajah (as of 2/2006). As final proof, I copied the letter which contained the original seed (several Appendix 2 species) and was sent to me from the U.S Government Animal and Health Inspection Service in Florida. Since the seed was sent to me without my asking and was a potential headache for me, I sent the entire envelope to APHIS, along with a copy of my import permit. They inspected it and sent it back to me. I'm sure I even have the original envelope, along with copies."

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