ok i have noticed somthing on my ventrata with two of my proto-pitchers. on one that did not drop down, the spur was just one spike and the thing its self was a dark color from the beginning. however on my second one which is two leaves up, the spur is split into 3 with the middle one being larger and the p-p is a lighter color. i have also noticed the whole tendril is turning counter clockwise on this one. later i will see what effect this has on it. in the meantime has anyone experienced this and gotten pitchers?