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Thread: FOTO feeding Nep. TRUNCATA with FISH !!!

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    Seems like this should be private... but these are good books for everyone to know about.

    Again, sorry Mr. Aga.

    Got the Kurzweil books. Although the first is The Age of Intelligent Machines... but you probably meant the first you'd recommend, not the first in the series.

    I knew about the Drexler book but didn't know it could be downloaded, very cool.

    I think I've heard of the Penrose book. I'll add it to my list.

    A few on my shelf:

    "The Mind's I" by Douglas Hofstadter & Daniel Dennett (it's a compilation, so it points to all sorts of other great books)

    "Godel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas Hofstadter (or anything else by him, or by Dennett)

    "Society of Mind" by Marvin Minsky

    "Emergence" by Steven Johnson (about how unintelligent microbehaviors develop without direction into intelligent or intelligent-seeming macrobehaviors, including neural activity)

    And being into the psychology of perception you'd probably like this one:

    "Sight Unseen" by Bryan Magee & Martin Milligan

    It's a series of letters between a sighted philosopher and a blind philosopher discussing what it really means to see. Also it gives us sighted people some insight into the possibility that we may not get as much information as we think we do from our environment (only we don't have people with those extra senses around to try to explain to us what it's like). A little rough because it's in philosopher-speak... using four times as many words necessary in order to be extra-thorough.

    http://www.edge.org is also a great place to go. It pains me that they can produce new writings faster than I can read them... it'll take me forever to get through it all...

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    nepenthes_ak: I have established ant colonies in my Nepenthes pots before. I only needed a couple of queens and about a dozen workers. I captured them all during the season in which the young queens fight for dominance and got a nice little colony going in my classic terra. I've also established a colony in a ventrata pot before.

    I was actually just out looking for the kind of ants that I used last time to establish another colony in one of my pots. It's really useful and kind of cool not to have to feed your plants but just to peer into the tank to see little ants getting drunk on peri nectar!

    -D. Lybrand

    EDIT: I am probably using a different kind of ant than you are talking about. However, these ants do need dormancy and that may explain why their numbers dropped after awhile before beginning to rise again.

    I also think that you thought that maybe all or most of the ants would be eaten by the plant? Because I'm not actually sticking them in the pitchers, only a couple get caught in each trap.
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    Jason Wong,
    thanks for the picture of the lizard.
    As somebody as you has written that there is no sense to let "suffer" or just "to maintain in life" an animal for 30 hours....
    But you have to consider this first :

    1) I didn't know for how many time the fish could stay alive because the experiment was made for the first time in my life to let come to the true all what heard about nepenthes.

    2) Feeding the plant with a fish could let me realize soon in realtime of the plant was able to kill soon and to check if the liquid itselfs kills or not.
    I will not anymore try with a "living" fish because it was online a ONE TIME curiosity.

    With all fishes that dies in a very stupid way I have no problem of what I did.
    And also the species that I did use to feed my truncata was also not at risk of extinction. So...no problems for me.

    I love my truncata and I am growing it from more than 2 yeas. All was done for love and with the rule that : "the most strongest win and the most weakest dies". The natures does this with all animals and also plants of the world.

    I fave also the fish because I hardly can feed my truncata with a lizard ( I would like it...or better..I would be very proud if my truncata would have the chance to catch alone a such big prey) because I live in a center of a big city in an appartment.Having frogs and lizards aroud the house would also not be a good idea.

    I have myself informed if a animal shop sells dead frozen mouses and tha answer was YES. they have them also of various sizes! Fine! Good news!
    Maybe in one year I could try to feed the pitcher with one frozen dead mouse.
    Have any ideas how to give it to my plant? I have it first to "warm it " a little? how? ahahaha!

    See ya!

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    How about simply putting a live mouse in a pitcher? i think the thawing prosces should be done outside the pitcher... It could damage the pitcher due to suden change in temps... Probably let it cool off to where its not to much cooler than the Area around the pitcher... (go by touch in a plastic baggie).

    I honestly think whats the difrence in giving a Boaconstricter or a tarantual or scorpian an pinkie or rabbit or mouse? A fish is no difrent and one isnt going to be hurt as much as a fish spending time in a tank that the owner has no clue on what to do.. IT wouldnt be the first time a fish has died...

    Neat experiment though, glad some one ealse did it and not me.. ill go as afar as putting chocolate on my D. capensis!

    cheers

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    Hi all:

    it'd be nice to vote for the percentage of carnivorous plant owners that would not mind to put a large size roach into the pitchers or a nepenthes and

    the percentage of cp owners that would not mind putting a mouse into the pitchers of the same plant. What would you vote for?



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    We could try to create a poll about this.

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    A roach wouldn't smell as bad as a mouse for one.

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    well, the point i am trying to make is that a roach is a pest and we have millions if not billions around.
    A mouse may be considered a pest in some countries but it looks cuter than a roach. I'd bet more people would be inclined to put the roach instead of the mouse.

    Anyway there are people in Africa dying of hunger every day and nobody does anything but yet we worry about mice and roaches.

    As much as we like to avoid cruelty, it's all around us, we see what we want to see!. please let's be more honest and realistic with ourselves and others!

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