User Tag List

Informational! Informational!:  0
Likes Likes:  0
Page 11 of 14 FirstFirst ... 7891011121314 LastLast
Results 81 to 88 of 106

Thread: FOTO feeding Nep. TRUNCATA with FISH !!!

  1. #81
    nepenthes_ak's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Spring Feild Ohio
    Posts
    3,116
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Not to be cruel, but you’re reference to people in Africa starving and what not, is amusing. They’re people in our own countries who are in the same situation.

    Yes their countries are results of our greed in the Late 1800's with a little thing called Imperilazation. And we should help them no doubt, but our arguments on line about plants and what to feed them have no relivence to the starving people in Africa. They probably would gladly give us as many of the roaches and Mice to put in our plants if they could!!

    I’m sure they’re even more controversial threads than this I am sure of that.

    Any ways my guppies gave Birth Last night, maybe we can Compare Nepenthes To Sarracenia? Just a thought if I can keep a pitcher empty (maybe sticking cotton in one of the pitcher's after the fish has gone in?)

    Cheers

  2. #82

    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    173
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Gus,

    Just because there is cruelty in the world that doesn't mean that you yourself have to treat animals (yes incl. insects) bad.

    Personally I don't react so much that the prey item is "exotic", but I do find it unnecessary to place living animals into the traps.

    I see no reason not to quickly kill the prey before feeding, unless you get a kick out of seeing them struggle, but then I think you have other problems.

    Regards,

    Christer

  3. #83

    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Long Beach California
    Posts
    1,494
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (christerb @ April 11 2006,11:33)]I see no reason not to quickly kill the prey before feeding, unless you get a kick out of seeing them struggle, but then I think you have other problems.
    doesnt this happen for the plants that are outside? dont tell me that you are gonna set it free, kill it then put it back? i do get a kick of seeing the plants catch living things in their traps, i dont see why feeding them should be any diff.

    ps. we have bigger things to worry about, hasnt it gotten to anyone yet?
    \"Nepenthes, the Devil's Cup\" - Santos
    Updated 5/27/06 Grow/Want List
    Updated 4/4/06 My Nepenthes Photo Album
    Feel free to call me @: (562)528-6223 - seriously!

  4. #84
    Nepenthes Specialist nepenthes gracilis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    Alexandria Bay, NY Z-5a
    Posts
    6,341
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Carnivorous plant- a plant designed to lure,trap,kill and digest prey, specifically insects.

  5. #85

    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    173
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]doesnt this happen for the plants that are outside? dont tell me that you are gonna set it free, kill it then put it back? i do get a kick of seeing the plants catch living things in their traps, i dont see why feeding them should be any diff.
    If the plants are outside, fine anything else would be ridiculous. But if you like me grow inside (terrarium) and feed them manually, I might as well dispose of them first. Don't get me wrong I feed insect to my plants, but since your (and similar) points of view have been posted several times lately why not allow another way of seeing things. I know I can't change anyones mind, but maybe some potential growers (lurkers) that see things similar should be assured that it is not mandatory to exclaim "cool" when pictures like the ones above are posted, even though we all share the interest of these - yes - carnivorous plants.

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]ps. we have bigger things to worry about, hasnt it gotten to anyone yet?
    Yes, there are bigger problems in the world. I'm sure we could sell the plants and give the money to the needy or similar to make a difference in the world. I don't think this is likely to happen though We are certainly privileged to be able to spend time and money on these wonderful plants, I acknowledge that.

    Regards,

    Christer

  6. #86

    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Central Coast, NSW, Australia
    Posts
    792
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Hi Christerb:

    Thanks for your comments, they are appreciated. However, i am not promoting cruelty. We seem to forget that "mother nature" made these plants and these have the same right to live with the billions of insects this world has produced and will keep producing.

    Another interesting point, money spent on plants may be donated to the needy. "good idea". Unfortunately, we all know what to do with what we earn and certainly if a person has a good heart would make a donation to those who suffer in other continents. However, how much to donate and when this can be done is nobody's business but the donor's

    Gus

  7. #87
    Send in the Clones Houstonherp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Houston, Texas USA
    Posts
    405
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (The Griffin @ April 05 2006,6:08)]Josh,
    How many snakes do you have and what are they? Just curious, as I have not seen many that will not switch to pre-killed thawed mice.
    We need Mike Howlett(Houstonherps) to chime in on this(Pyro and Rattler also have experience here), but the biggest reason I would not risk using live mice(unless absolutely no other option), is the snake's risk of getting bit by the mouse. That could cause a nasty infection. The wimpy answer is of course it's also more humane for the mouse to be euthanized by rodent companies than to get constricted, but to not allow the snake to get injured is the biggy there. I have a feeling that "mouse sympathy" is not going to win votes with the majority here.
    Of course, I only have a small Mexican black king at the moment and she eats fuzzies, so she would probably not get bit at this stage(but she eats thawed).

    Joe
    Hi Joe -

    Sorry for the late reply here...finally recovering after several days bog-stomping in East Texas!!!

    ALL of my reptiles are trained to eat nothing BUT thawed frodents, for many reasons.

    First of all, by feeding dead animals, it causes many, if not most, snakes to lose their instinct to strike out and wrap around the item in front of them. This can make for a more mild-mannered snake. And since they are nothing more than pets, this means a nicer pet!

    Second, this is more humane for the rodent than throwing it into a cage with a hungry predator. I don't know about you, but I would much rather just fall asleep and not wake up than be squeezed until I pass out!

    Third, the freezing process kills many pathogens, both internal and external, that the rodent may be bringing into your cage. Freezing can even keep you from getting a whole host of internal diseases and even reptile mites, as a frozen rodent would most likely have come straight from a rodent breeding facility, and not been around reptiles in a pet store!

    Also, there is no risk of your reptile being attacked by a hungry rodent if it's DEAD! I can't tell you how many snakes have been brought to me over the years with flesh chewed off all the way to the bone, all because someone left a rodent in the cage with their snake. If you are feeding frodents and your snake doesn't eat, the frodents isn't going to kill the snake.

    And the reason that sways most people to feed frodents: THEY ARE TONS CHEAPER!!! Full-grown rats can cost up to $8.00 or more in the pet stores; but I sell them for $4.00 all day long.

    If reason doesn't sway someone, hit them in the pocketbook, right?!?

    Regards,

    Mike
    Mike Howlett

    "Leuc, I am your flava!"

    Now we know Princess Leah's last name: Wilkerson!!

  8. #88
    MrAga73's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    ITALY - Milan
    Posts
    400
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I have already seen my girlfriend how she get trough without feeding her plants in the terrarium.She gets Nepenthes that do look like more to palms than rather to plants that do progress with a thick body.
    I will NOT give a live rat but a frozen one.But this will not happen in 2006. My plant is still too little.
    The trap with the fish was 22 cm. Let's grwo and see!

    Mr_Aga
    Milan - ITALY
    ******************************
    Mr_Aga
    Icq : 18240372
    http://www.piantecarnivore.org
    ******************************

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •