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    sanguinea or hybrid?

    Tell me what you think. This plant is supposed to be Nepenthes sanguinea. Personally I think it looks like what I would expect the natural hybrid of N. sanguinea x ramispina to look like given its color and elongated pitchers. Agree disagree? I like it either way.

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    I would agree that it is not a straight N. sanguinea. It does look like it has some N. ramispina in it. Nice pitchers regardless.

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    Not pure N. sanguinea I would have to say a very good possibility with N. ramispina as a possible parent. The leafes show very good traits of both species.

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    How big are the pitchers ?
    Smaller pitchers seem to be more alongated then the big ones. Although the pale green inner surfice does suspect some ramispina...

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    The larger pitcher is 9" or 23 cm from bottom to top of lid. The smaller pitcher is 5.5" or 14 cm.

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    The leaves don't look that sanguinea like to me. I agree about it being a ramispina/sanguinea hybrid.

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    why do you all say that it is a hybrid, and not just ramispina? Sanguinea I grow, and that plant is not it. Isn't ramispina in the same family, however? Looking at the pictures in BobZ photo finder, it seems to strongly resembles a ramispina.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPsInAtl View Post
    why do you all say that it is a hybrid, and not just ramispina?
    Good question. I suppose I am just assuming that this is at least partially sanguinea because I trust the source I got it from. However, hybrids do have a way of popping up in batches of seedlings.

    Things that make me think it is not pure ramispina are:
    1. The lid is very oval. I think ramispina tends to have a very round lid
    2. This is a young plant that is already producing a 23 cm pitcher. I believe ramispina tends to max out around 20 cm
    3. You can't see it in the picture but the spur is branched.
    4. The peristome is a little bit wider than typical ramispina.

    Superficially though, when I look at this pitcher I see ramispina more than sanguinea which is why I thought it must be a hybrid.

    Just to confuse things - in Charles Clarke's Nepenthes of Sumatra, the picture of N. sanguinea on page 181 looks a lot like my plant. He does say in the text that hybrids with ramispina can be difficult to distinguish. Ultimately this question might depend on what the range of variability of N. sanguinea is in the field. Having never been to peninsular Malaysia I don't have any real opinion.

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    Rich

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