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    Actually, I dare not drink the Gentle necter because now it smells like dead bugs.
    Mabye Sabre will be a little yummier.

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    I don't believe there are any narcotic alkaloids in Nepenthes nectar. The only CP with anything boarder line narcotic in it is S. flava, which nectar contains Coniine, and that's more of a neurotoxin (if you REALLY want to split hairs!)


    If someone would like to correct me on this with the name of a narcotic (which, unless it's an opiate/opioid isn't a REAL narcotic using the definition) alkaloid found in Nepenthes nectar, please do! I'd find it immensely interesting.


    S. flava liqueur is probably a bad idea, as exotically (I almost said erotically. Don't you just love Freudian slips?) appetizing as it sounds.

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    Are you saying that alkaloids are the only substances that can cause intoxication of some sort? If that's the case...its organic chemistry time for you.

    If someone would like to correct me on this with the name of a narcotic (which, unless it's an opiate/opioid isn't a REAL narcotic using the definition)
    Nope. A 'narcotic' is any substance, regardless of if it is synthetic or naturally occuring, as long as it produces the same types of effects as opium derivatives. Methadone is a synthetic molecule that produces the same types of effects as opium derivaties, but as it is synthetic, is not an opiate. Really the molecule just needs a phenyl ring directly attached to an sp3 hybridized carbon that is connected by a bridge to a nitrogen atom, which must be 2 carbons away from said sp3 carbon.

    Coniine, and that's more of a neurotoxin (if you REALLY want to split hairs!)
    Split hairs about what? Coniine is a neurotoxin, plain and simple. If someone is calling it an intoxicant/narcotic, that's wrong. Though it could possibly have some sort of the same effects in incredibly small doses, that does not classify it as anything but a neurotoxin based on other factors.

    S. flava liqueur is probably a bad idea
    In large quantities, yes. To give it a taste, I highly highly doubt it. Coniine is toxic at about 0.18 grams. I think you would have trouble finding a flava with over 0.18g of coniine present at any time, as it makes up a compartively small amount of the total nectar. In fact you would need to ingest at probably at least 20g of nectar to even potentially be in danger, which would require you to lick many a lid, as I can't imagine even a mature flava has more than 2g of nectar present at any given time, and that's pushing it.
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    Not at all! My best friends aren't even alkaloids We aren't talking lab-made chems (oh how the list could go on!), we are talking natural and most (at least the "intoxicating" ones. I use quotes as at least one I know of could be argued as producing acute anticholinergic syndrome as the desired effect) natural drugs are alkaloids (off the top of my head, at least one is a diterpenoid. For 17 I think I'm doing good )

    If you'll re-read my post, I believe I said "unless it's an opiate/opioid isn't a REAL narcotic" Methadone is an opioid, last time I checked. I'm also not going by the government's standard of "narcotic".

    Wiki states Coniine addictive in animals (Not that that means anything, I just skimmed. I think I saw something about goats or something.) I don't know what small doses of Coniine do, and I don't plan on finding out.

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    My best friends aren't even alkaloids
    Mine is Wild Turkey 101 .
    Ethanol and I go hand in hand.

    natural drugs are alkaloids (off the top of my head, at least one is a diterpenoid. For 17 I think I'm doing good )
    True, and I think so too.

    I think there doesn't need to be a distinction made between a narcotic and "real" narcotic. Methadone isn't an opiate because it is a completely synthetic molecules that was synthesized to have the properties of an opium derivative, without itself being derived from opium.
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    Wow, did NeciFiX and my posts spur an almost serious conversation? Cool.

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    You're absolutely correct. I was including opioids (like methadone and fentanyl) as "real" narcotics even though they aren't opiates like natural and semi synthetic drugs (like... hydrocodone and oxycodone.) I was using the word real not to refer to natural or synthetic, but actual narcotics (where as the government would happily define THC and LSD as narcotics, and even "narcotics anonymous" would define meth as a "narcotic" when it's most definitely not!)


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    my ventricosa is sour as hell. my judith finn is probably the mildest flavor, being somewhat akin to rock candy. truncata is a lot like syrup, and my black dragon is by far the sweetest.

    i wish my ******* bongso would throw out a pitcher =(
    if i were ruler of the world, anyone who defined a nepenthene as a "companion plant" to orchids would be fired from a cannon atop mt. kinabalu.

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