Folks have been making chilled grow chamber for highland/cloudforest orchids for some time. Here is one
Folks have been making chilled grow chamber for highland/cloudforest orchids for some time. Here is one
Is that a Nepenthes in your pocket or you just happy to see me?
if i were to buy one as apposed to making one after making sure it works and can do a 25-30 degree drop from ambient room temps would be appearance....i can make something that works.....my issue is making something that works AND looks nice so the wife will let me put it where i want rather than keeping it in my plant room in the basement.........also having lived in the boondocks almost my whole life, as simple as you can make the system and have it work the better, manual overrides to any automatic systems are a must.....why? cause if something goes down im going to have to fix it with what is available........aint going to spend $1,000 on something(reasonable cost for a large one, figure ill have bout $600 or so in materials into my homemade one, though im thinking of a 3x4x4 foot chamber or bigger) and if some automatic switch goes down ive got to wait 2 weeks to get a part in.....a manual over ride so i can flip a switch to turn the lights on or off or such without turning of the humidity or cooling systems or any combination there of is a HUGE plus..........
Tempered glass with a modular design philosophy. That way someone could start off with a basic unit and upgrade as funding permits, or needs require.
other than looking nice and having a large viewing/access window in the front ive got no real input on how to make one or what to use.....i know what I would do to make one for myself but i aint an engineer nor do i nessisarily have access to some of the better materials, just know what i would do give to what i have access to here, in BFE, 100 miles from the nearest Walmart, 300 from the nearest Home Depot or Lowes.....havent made one yet cause i havent figured out how to convince the wife i need a freezer that wont be used to store meat in
oh, highland terrarium.. i have a question, i have a lowland terrarium, temperature about 85 when 2X20 watts flourscents lights is on, and the night time temperature is about 70-75 take quite a few hours for the temperature to drop, what happen if i grow a highland nepenthe in a lowland terrarium? please answer i need to kno lol,
highland terrarium is diffcult... to keep the terrarium around 65 - 70 degree i think the cheapest way is place the terarium next to a air conditon, which allow the cold air cool off the temperature in the terrarium ( covered) from our side the terrarium or cool of the flourscent light lol, i will try this idea when i get my cheap highland terrarium done, and run a few test on it
use those CPU cooler which u can find inside the PC attached to the mother board or get one from almost anyone where u can find PC, its very cheap. and get the fan also. that will keep the air circulation runing and cool airs going! make sure use adaptor, or u will explode the fan
buy few LED solar panel lights for the walkway ( notes the light level is low but its focus in one small area so i don't think it will do any harm to ur plant, change the solar panel to a adaptor which u can find from cell phone adaptor? modem adaptor? anything at least its a adaptor , to keep the LED light run at same level alll day long! without fainting the light level! change the flourscents light to LED can massively change ur highland terrariums temperature.
for all these item its less then 100$ =] 50$ u can get a 50 gallons from PETSMART/PETCO
50 gallons tank cover should be around 20 ~ 30 $ (glass)
=] correct me if i m wrong
Highland nepenthes will not grow in a lowland terrarium. Intermediates might though.
Hey, Appreciate the thread I think its a really great idea that someone has been needing to address, hopefully you can take care of it so we can grow our plants and you can add alittle monthly income
eitherway, my only real thoughts since I'm not an engineer and master of all the materials listed...
-I think the glass is a better way to go at least for the front.
- I think you should assume they will get no additional sunlight and that light will be fully artificial.
- Appearance is a big deal for those who are married and in family situations where it would be nice for someone with the background to create something we can put out for everyone to see ( I shamefully look at my shabby thrifty wirefilled tank )
- Maybe options as far as the level for automated-ness? not everyone will have the same budget guidelines or may already have things they can use, or may want to "tweak" in their own personal way, offering a more basic package to a delux package I think would be a great option and allow you to recieve more business...
as far as lighting is concerned it'd be hard for me to say what you should use, T-5's are so great yet pose such a heat problem especially for HL's, ( of course that can be dealt with if thoroughly thought out ) LED's may be a great option to pursue? their smaller can sometimes be found for cheap and can be incredibly intense...
I've also seen people work wonders with CFL's and I dont mean in a shoplight fixture type of way, but I've seen great homemade hoods with 6 or 8 standard home fixtures in a great esthetically pleasing housing. using these would allow people to easily replace if necessary, their also cheap, space efficient and can yield great results...
I know my thoughts werent all encompassing but I didnt want to be guilty of reading and not posting my opinions.
Thanks again for posting.
I'm probably your perfect "sucker" customer because I'm just not that handy . The bottom line is, I'd like something that works no matter the outside environment. If the chamber cools down to the 50s at night no matter what, that would be good enough for me to consider buying it. Of course, automation would be great and if it looks nice, even better. But the top priority is effectiveness. For instance, I'd rather have an ugly metal box that cools down to 51 degrees every night than a pretty glass showcasey thing that cools down to 65. Regarding cost... I'm only 15 years old so I can't exactly afford a thousand dollar setup. To me, 100 dollars is a million and another ten a miracle. Nevertheless, I can see why a very good chamber could reasonably cost $1000 or more.
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Hello again all,
Thank you again for all your input. You have no idea how much your "sincere" input helps in designing things such as this.
Nepfreak, I can certainly understand your situation. I am looking into the wholesale costs of "parts" and manufacturing. It is a bit depressing, however I am not letting some corporate overpricing get in the way. I am doing my best to find a way to keep the price of these units down as low as I can. (While I want to make an honest living, I don't want to be ripping off "15 year olds" to do it!)
cmm889, You don't need to be an engineer to have good ideas! That's part of the reason I asked everyone here for an opinion. Even 15 yr. olds have something important to say about this subject, and I value the opinions of those who are doing the actual growing (or wanting to grow) these plants.
Rattler_mt, Tony, and everyone else.... I am glad you all decided to write. So far out of 376 people who were interested enough to read this thread, only 17 of you felt your opinion was of any value or bothered to take the time to write.
My real concern down the line is if there is much of an "audience" for these units. It is going to be a lot of work and expense for me if I only end up selling 17 of these things!
By the way, a little treat for some of you.... an idea I wanted to share:
(Disclaimer/Note: If you aren't "handy", building your own equiptment can be extremely dangerous! This information is being presented for discussion and information exchange only. Actual application should be carefully considered by those of you who are qualified to build and test such units, and I cannot be held responsible for any negative situation arising from the actual building, application and use of these. I have NOT built and or tested these, and the ideas shown herein are for information/idea exchange only. Build one at your own risk!)
I do know that many of you are doing "plastic wrapped, wire shelf units" for growing. I also have been reading a lot of you are having problems with the heat your lights are producing, and how to vent these without loosing the much needed humidity inside.
I have a few ideas on how to deal with this situation, and have drawn up a rough sketch of one of them for consideration. I am not trying to make money off of this! (Just wanted to share a little something with those of you who have bothered to write and help me out with your opinions.)
I don't know if/how this would work out for you, but it is a simple way to isolate the outside air form the inside air. The excess heat from the lamps is "bad", so it needs to be handled as outside air. Running metal exhaust duct (from the hardware store) across the shelf unit, sticking out of the plastic on both sides, and cutting a hole in it to accomodate the ballast portion of the lamp will assist in removing the heat generated by the ballast and a little bit of the heat produced bt the lamps themselves. Some of the heat produced bt the bulbs will still heat the inside of the chamber however, and your results will vary depending on the type/design of fixture you are using.
If you do a good job caulking with the appropriate temp. caulking, you should effectively isolate the inside humid air from the outside air. A 5' piece of duct shoud accomodate shelves under 5'wide. A "muffin" fan at the end serves to draw the heated air out of the duct, without pulling the humidified air from within the chamber.
If you remove the bulbs, caulk the fixture into the metal duct, let dry and replace bulbs after installing duct/light fixture, the seal should be complete.
(If you cannot understand the diagram, you should not be trying to make this anyway!) Do be careful working with sheetmetal (VERY sharp!). And do NOT depend on the caulking to support the weight of the fixture itself. Chains, wire or other support brackets should be used for ALL items of appreciable weight.
If you have any opinions on this, please feel free to express them. Especially if you think it will help you out or find that it does. Again, I do not have a setup like this, so do not have one in use anyway, nor do I need one, so making and testing it is something I have not done.
Well, to those of you who have written, thanks again for all of your help thus far. I will possibly be in touch with some of you in the future, and will try to post again when I can.
Experience is the best teacher. At least it used to be.
But then, common sense isn't so common anymore, is it.
lol......love all your warnings.......told the wife the last thing we do after remodeling the bedroom is lay carpet....cause blood will be spilled and i dont want yah yelling at me for getting blood on your new carpet
like i said i can make something that works, im very good at jerry rigging bout anything so that it will get the job done but it winds up looking like some half arsed backwoods hillbilly setup(which it is).....so when im buying something apposed to making im looking at looks.....have to say may biggest worry is reliably cooling the tank to 50 in a room with an ambiant temp of 90-95(80 is the norm high but have to look at likely worst case senarios)....and doing so without killing my electric bill......to badly anyways.....would think it would have to be insulated fairly well on all sides and ideally have double pane windows for viewing........yah know the more i think about it i have no clue how yah would go about building units in the size i want in anyway but a custom basis...........interested to see what yah might come up with, even rough prototypes.........