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    It's not really a matter of whether it would work or not, it's whether you would really want to do this every night for the rest of your life. I know I would probably get sick of doing it after the first couple of weeks.
    I think you should come up with something a little more bulletproof first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halt View Post
    why not keep ice packs under the bags? just keep switching em like 2-3x a day


    Well, first of all, they're ice bottles x3. Second of all, I already have ice bottles in the tank to cool it, and there are always two. I only have a two plant limit of being next to the bottles. The conditions next to them are low 70s-high 60s at day (should've mentioned that was the temps next to the bottles) and at night 62-50. The day temps are good, but the night temps and be colder, which is why I'll have the plant and an extra bottle in the baggie (put up and not closed) to conceal most of the cold air to make it even colder than usual. Does this clear things up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theyellowdart View Post
    It's not really a matter of whether it would work or not, it's whether you would really want to do this every night for the rest of your life. I know I would probably get sick of doing it after the first couple of weeks.
    I think you should come up with something a little more bulletproof first.
    I already switch the bottles three times a day and it doesn't bother me one bit And I've already racked my brain to come up with something...a lot less technical, besides putting it in the fridge...but, I have a feeling I'll forget to put it back into the tank.

    Edit: And that just may be an answer about it getting bigger. Putting it in the fridge at night
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    Do you live in a house or apartment? Because would a basement set-up work? That's what I use here in WI. In the winter it's perfect. I'm not sure where you live but if you could try it. Another thing is try the whole freezer into a grow chamber.

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    House. No baesment. I lives in Florida, so a basement wouldn't do much good, plus, it's extremely hard to have a basement here . And I REALLY doubt I can get a freezer chamber. When living with parents, you're really limited on things
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capensis View Post
    Soooo, I want to try N. villosa, but I don't quite have the conditions, save the humidity. Low 70s - high 60s at day and at night 62-50, I believe. I spray down the tank to make it that chilly (plus ice bottles), but seeing that N. villosa likes temps into the 40s, I don't know what else I could do....

    Soooo, I thought of an idea that may work, but not so sure. At day, I'll leave the plant chilling next to the ice bottles where the good, chilly temps are. But, I'll leave a medium size baggie under the plant. When night comes, I pull up the baggie, and place another ice bottle next to it, inside the baggie with the villosa (not closing the baggie) to conceal the cold of the ice bottle to drop the temperature lower. Thoughts? I can do diagrams if confused.
    Nights in the fifties should be just fine, and I wouldn't worry too much about using frozen water bottles. The main idea is to give a definite nighttime drop in Tb plus high humidity. Just the evaporative cooling from occasional misting will serve to benefit the plant, even if the Tb is a bit higher than desired.

    Designing some Rube Goldberg machanism for caring for one tiny plant on a daily basis will drive you insane, spectacular Nepenthes or not. We don't want to be reading about you, a rifle, and a clock tower anytime soon. Keep it as simple as possible and allow the N. villosa to acclimatize to your local area and you should be fine. They are not remotely as touchy as many suggest; otherwise, mine would have been composted a long time ago.

    Growers once thought the same difficult cultivation was true for Nepenthes hamata for years; and now some growers have them simply as windowsill plants. Also, N. villosa is so slow-growing that you'll have plenty of time to plan and provide larger growing chambers down the line . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBella View Post
    Nights in the fifties should be just fine, and I wouldn't worry too much about using frozen water bottles. The main idea is to give a definite nighttime drop in Tb plus high humidity. Just the evaporative cooling from occasional misting will serve to benefit the plant, even if the Tb is a bit higher than desired.
    Ooh, ok. So I'm actually good after all? Quick question, what exactly does Tb mean?


    Quote Originally Posted by BigBella View Post
    Growers once thought the same difficult cultivation was true for Nepenthes hamata for years; and now some growers have them simply as windowsill plants.
    You mean elgecko? xD
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    I completely agree with BigBella (and I appreciate you being so encouraging!).

    With the way my temperatures are in the spring and summer (winter is not looking to be much different) I was extremely hesitant to try anything even remotely highlanderish. Sure I added a N. ventricosa to my collection without much thought, but when it came to the plants that are considered more touchy I was hesistant. I finally broke the ice and purchased a N. spectabilis North Sumatra and N. truncata Pasian highland at the same time. They are both actively growing and pitchering in strictly lowland conditions. I have since moved on to other 'touchy' highlanders such as N. burbidgeae and N. hamata. They are both actively growing and pitchering in the same conditions, on the same rack, on the same shelf with my N. ampullaria "Green" and N. ampullaria "Red Speckled" which are also actively growing and pitchering. To spice things up, I also received a H. heterodoxa x minor. It is actively growing and producing pitchers (though I need more light, it's not satisfied with my cool whites like my other plants are). My point is, you won't know until you try. I don't fool with fridges or frozen water bottles. The only thing that I did remotely special was acclimate my N. hamata to my lower humidity. I had it bagged for about a month and a half. The bag is now off, and I currently have one pitcher opened and another forming. The theory on needing high humidity for small hamatas is also a myth.

    My current conditions:
    Day time: 80-84F
    Night time: 78 (it's dropped about three times to 70 since it's become winter)
    Humidity day: 45-70%
    Humidity night: 80%+

    Give it a try. If I wasn't willing to try, I wouldn't have half the collection that I currently have.

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