Rot? Rotten luck... rotten skill? LOL!
Rot? Rotten luck... rotten skill? LOL!
Lol! I'm sure it wasn't rotten skill.
Did you use live LFS for the N. splendiana x ((veitchii x maxima) x veitchii) seeds? I see that's what you used for the N. splendiana x mixta. Live LFS worked for SirKristoff... I used Better-Gro Orchid Moss LFS.
oh god did it work for me lol.
i milled up some live LFS and mixed it in with peat that i nuked for about 15 seconds in the micro. cooled it down with water, then added the live LFS, sowed the seeds over the top and covered with plastic wrap. Seeds started germinating for me in about a week, and more are popping up, so far id say a good 60% of the seeds have germinated. more to come, many are about large enough to ship out. so i gotta get a few groups that i promised people out in about 2 weeks. looking good jimmy!!!!
and my lighting that i used for them was 4x 20watt 24" coolwhite and daylight spectrum fluorescent tubes, in at the time of first germination, was intermediate/highland conditions
I've traded just about as many of them away as I can. That's a lot, considering that I got very high germination rates, just like you. You got much faster germination, however.
I'm sure I still have a few seeds left to wait to germinate.
It was definitel live LFS.
I was the lucky recipient of the seedlings. They are looking a bit sad now but I think they will take right off. The seedling roots were really long.
Rattler, that is a very good point (sincerely). In fact, I'll have to revise my statement, because I didn't fully take that into account. It is safer to say that TC plants are ill-prepared to adapt efficiently to harsher conditions (after all, they are grown in 'perfect' conditions in-vitro until removal from TC), because they didn't need strong, healthy tissue in TC. They got their nutrients and moisture from the agar and ~100% humidity in their flasks. TC plants may not pose much of a problem to growers with a greenhouse(s), but growers without that luxury will very likely find them troublesome due to their lack of roots and resilient tissue. Of course, this applies for plants 'fresh' from TC, not the ones that are recieved hardened off well - those perform fine.
.....Whereas seed-grown plants have a root system that they've grown out and relied on for as long as they have been alive, so they have healthy roots and (likely) resilient leaf tissue that is adapted to <100% humidity. Therefore, they are easier to adapt to new, harsher conditions. For freshly-TC'd plants, anything outside of 'perfect' is harsher, and they may be able to adapt quickly to a certain degree, but nicely-grown SG plants can take much more.
Yes, there is the problem of weak SG individuals, whether it be by nature, or by the grower's hand. I've had a few pop up, one of which grew a round, conical green leaf rather than a proper cotyledon, and could not produce any more leaves because of that wonderful thing called natural selection. It happens. I don't purposefully send weak seedlings, because I don't take the time and effort to plot growth rates for each, etc. But weaker seedlings are bound to get distributed. That's why I am very generous in my seedling trades.
In summary, freshly TC'd plants are ill-prepared to adapt relatively quickly to new, harsher environments and to undergo rigors at the hands of growers than established SG'd plants, due to the differences in their tissue substanciality and propagation methods.
I started this thread to show off the nice roots of seed-grown Nepenthes, vigorous hybrids or not. They amaze me, that's for sure. I really don't want to get into a TC vs. SG debate, but i think there's something to learn from growing Nepenthes from seed.
i dont have a greenhouse.....nor do i live in one of the lucky spots.......i live in a very harsh climate to try and grow CP's........for fresh out of TC and seedlings....ziplocks and 10 gal tanks are your friends
Yes, ziplocks and 10 gallon tanks are very much so my friends, too. warmth is a big concern of mine, here, so ziplocks and tanks do have their limits. Freshly TC's plants, at least for me, can dessicate/ overheat very easily if very special care and attention aren't given.