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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post

    It makes you see just how ill-prepared fresh TC plants are for real-world growing. SG plants have a large root system to rely on, so they are easier to adapt to new conditions. Not that TC is bad.
    i more realistic statement is that some growers are ill prepared to deal with TC plants......ive got a dozen adult blooming Pings 2 to 3 inches in diameter with about that much for roots........does it mean they are ill prepared? no.....it means that they dont require much in roots for how i grow those particular plants which get their moisture from the localized high humidity and not directly from the soil.......the TC plants have grown what roots they need to live in TC conditions...."your" the one that chose to buy a plant fresh out of TC conditions and choose to try and grow it in something else.....there aint much trick to acclimating properly shipped TC plants...just brains enough to know sticking them in a tray along everything else as soon as you get them aint likely going to work.....i received 5 lowii with almost no roots 2 or 3 months ago.....all i did was put a ziplock tent over the pot and i still have all the plants alive, healthy and growing....and other than the tent they have received no special attention....i run into more problems with small seed grown neps than small TC....why? cause if yah grow alot of neps from seed your still going to run into runts and weak growers....just like any other plant....i see it in the veggies and fruits i plant in my garden and in the tropical plants i grow indoors....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rattler_mt View Post
    i more realistic statement is that some growers are ill prepared to deal with TC plants......ive got a dozen adult blooming Pings 2 to 3 inches in diameter with about that much for roots........does it mean they are ill prepared? no.....it means that they dont require much in roots for how i grow those particular plants which get their moisture from the localized high humidity and not directly from the soil.......the TC plants have grown what roots they need to live in TC conditions...."your" the one that chose to buy a plant fresh out of TC conditions and choose to try and grow it in something else.....there aint much trick to acclimating properly shipped TC plants...just brains enough to know sticking them in a tray along everything else as soon as you get them aint likely going to work.....i received 5 lowii with almost no roots 2 or 3 months ago.....all i did was put a ziplock tent over the pot and i still have all the plants alive, healthy and growing....and other than the tent they have received no special attention....i run into more problems with small seed grown neps than small TC....why? cause if yah grow alot of neps from seed your still going to run into runts and weak growers....just like any other plant....i see it in the veggies and fruits i plant in my garden and in the tropical plants i grow indoors....

    Rattler, that is a very good point (sincerely). In fact, I'll have to revise my statement, because I didn't fully take that into account. It is safer to say that TC plants are ill-prepared to adapt efficiently to harsher conditions (after all, they are grown in 'perfect' conditions in-vitro until removal from TC), because they didn't need strong, healthy tissue in TC. They got their nutrients and moisture from the agar and ~100% humidity in their flasks. TC plants may not pose much of a problem to growers with a greenhouse(s), but growers without that luxury will very likely find them troublesome due to their lack of roots and resilient tissue. Of course, this applies for plants 'fresh' from TC, not the ones that are recieved hardened off well - those perform fine.

    .....Whereas seed-grown plants have a root system that they've grown out and relied on for as long as they have been alive, so they have healthy roots and (likely) resilient leaf tissue that is adapted to <100% humidity. Therefore, they are easier to adapt to new, harsher conditions. For freshly-TC'd plants, anything outside of 'perfect' is harsher, and they may be able to adapt quickly to a certain degree, but nicely-grown SG plants can take much more.

    Yes, there is the problem of weak SG individuals, whether it be by nature, or by the grower's hand. I've had a few pop up, one of which grew a round, conical green leaf rather than a proper cotyledon, and could not produce any more leaves because of that wonderful thing called natural selection. It happens. I don't purposefully send weak seedlings, because I don't take the time and effort to plot growth rates for each, etc. But weaker seedlings are bound to get distributed. That's why I am very generous in my seedling trades.

    In summary, freshly TC'd plants are ill-prepared to adapt relatively quickly to new, harsher environments and to undergo rigors at the hands of growers than established SG'd plants, due to the differences in their tissue substanciality and propagation methods.

    I started this thread to show off the nice roots of seed-grown Nepenthes, vigorous hybrids or not. They amaze me, that's for sure. I really don't want to get into a TC vs. SG debate, but i think there's something to learn from growing Nepenthes from seed.
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    i dont have a greenhouse.....nor do i live in one of the lucky spots.......i live in a very harsh climate to try and grow CP's........for fresh out of TC and seedlings....ziplocks and 10 gal tanks are your friends
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    Yes, ziplocks and 10 gallon tanks are very much so my friends, too. warmth is a big concern of mine, here, so ziplocks and tanks do have their limits. Freshly TC's plants, at least for me, can dessicate/ overheat very easily if very special care and attention aren't given.
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    true.....course i grow under lights and not in windows so i dont have that problem....cant over heat a plant under T8's .......window temps swing to bad for me........its 110 out in the summer.....-60 during some winter nights.......i dont throw anything in a window i aint willing to lose.....only thing in windows are capensis, binata, unknown ping hybrid and sandersonii.....course they are also within reach of any kid that walks into the paper......for anything rare that i want to keep i want a fairly stable environment......my basement under lights provide that.....
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    Yeah, I've been meaning to get a nice light and rack setup for awhile now. The problems are, (1) I live with my parents, because I'm not off to college yet ; (2) I have no nice place to put a growrack and lights.

    I'd love to have a basement! Lol!
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    3 requirements i gave the wife when house hunting:
    #1: south facing backyard so i could eventually build a sun room
    #2 a basement
    #3 a room of my own in the basement to keep my plants and critters in

    who needs a nice place for a grow rack.....a 10 gal tank with a couple CFL's will work for hardening of TC plants and touchy seedlings.........
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