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Thread: Some N. Thorelii in my home

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirKristoff View Post
    just because laws say something, doesnt mean it was good
    for the longest time, VFTs were not protected by law. they are now, but does that mean it was right to remove them from the wild? no
    they just didnt know about vft's that time.
    anyway, does it look like pheonix is trying to sell the nep? he's multiplying it, also in this thread, he is asking what is the best way to multiply. why would he ask that? most likely to put it back to the wild.

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    Halt he also said he is going to try and send some out to us here in the US.
    and Jimmy, laws may something is right or wrong, but it doesnt mean crap. laws say to kill polar bears on sight in iceland if they cross from greenland, as you know, they are critically endangered. Does that make it right? NO
    he said he walks out to the woods to collect them
    they are NOT in his back yard in that case, he never specified that they were. so if that is the case, go for it
    but removing them is just not right.
    excuse me for having morals

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    share some, put rest back in the wild?

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    how about
    buy your own
    leave the wild alone?
    hello, i mean damn. that is one reason TC is around

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    So you think that what Rob Cantley does legally is not wrong, while what Phoenix does legally IS wrong?

    Excuse me for being rational.
    "I'm just a scientist without the proper documentation."

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    Rob collects seeds of newly discovered varieties or species to get them into cultivation.
    are thorelii and mirabilis already not in mass cultivation?
    there is a BIG difference here jimmy
    excuse me for pointing out the truth

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    I don't see the difference between the two types of collecting, SK, except for the fact that N. mirabilis and N. thorelii are widely and commonly distributed in the wild compared to the "newly discovered varieties or species," which obviously are not so widely-distributed. Indeed, there IS a big difference, but you are looking in the wrong places for truths. Neither are wrong in my eyes, and I'm not going to complain or discourage any of these legal activities, because I enjoy, appreciate, and care for Nepenthes.

    I see that Phoenix is doing a very nice job of growing this species legally, and with plenty of genetic variation, and that is enough for me NOT to complain about it. As long as he gets the proper export paperwork to trade, it is perfectly fine.
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    Legal isn't always right like I said before. There are so many things wrong with many laws. You cabt honestly think that its right. So if you lived up the road from neps that were not yet protected because the country just doesn't give a plain damn about what happens, you would remove them? If the land was in no danger of being renovated on, I see no reason why the plants should be disturbed. Its wrong in my eyes and in the eyes of everyone I have discussed this with. You seem to be the only person that is down for habitat destruction....ooooh I know why, its because you believe all plants should be of seedgrown origin isn't it? Mr. Would not waste your time with a tc rajah...well I see you have a tc hamata and many other tc plants, why are you so dead set on only owning a sg rajah...all of em are in private collections and I completely understand why....why don't you just ask a native resident in borneo to dig one up and send it to you from a part of their back yard.

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