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Thread: Some N. Thorelii in my home

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    Hi everyone new member here..............Nice thorelii BTW......Nice red colouration..Looks a lot like N viking..Not trying to start up a discussion on is viking a subspecies or a pure...

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    Actually, i'm just save them from the project for building a new city . And the goverment supported me and some guys who can save and take nature plants from this forest when the project starting. If you say that is illegal SirKristoff, i don't know what is legal... . And when i saved them ( Nepenthes) i'm trying find the way to grow them, to mutiplies them, and to take them back to other forest. And the reason when i ask what is the best way to multiplies them because when i try to multiplies them by raise the branchs , just 20 - 30% can become new plants, the other you know, die..

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    if the government honestly supports you and the place is on a planned construction site, then by all means save as many as you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirKristoff View Post
    Legal isn't always right like I said before. There are so many things wrong with many laws. You cabt honestly think that its right. So if you lived up the road from neps that were not yet protected because the country just doesn't give a plain damn about what happens, you would remove them? If the land was in no danger of being renovated on, I see no reason why the plants should be disturbed. Its wrong in my eyes and in the eyes of everyone I have discussed this with. You seem to be the only person that is down for habitat destruction....ooooh I know why, its because you believe all plants should be of seedgrown origin isn't it? Mr. Would not waste your time with a tc rajah...well I see you have a tc hamata and many other tc plants, why are you so dead set on only owning a sg rajah...all of em are in private collections and I completely understand why....why don't you just ask a native resident in borneo to dig one up and send it to you from a part of their back yard.
    That is just plain rude, SK. I have no idea why you wanted to turn this into a verbal bloodbath. I am not down for habitat destruction - I never said I was - I just realize it's happening everywhere. And I happened to realize that that was what was happening, so this WC thing that Phoenix does is not bad.

    TC plants are good for trying before you actually try (kill) a SG plant. I am trying those TC plants because I'd like to be ready for SG plants of the same species when the opportunity arises. I mean, a SG N. hamata has no small price tag. Now I realise that it doesn't actually take so much effort to grow HL Nepenthes. If a SG rajah presented itself back at that point, I would have set up all the right conditions to accomodate it (and still would) - by no means a small task - because it is SG, not some TC clone. A TC clone would not have gotten the royal treatment, because everyone is growing it to a good size, and there would be nothing different about it. Therefore, it might have died due to improper conditions (NM is subject to hot summers, afterall) - so I would just try some of the easier (and more interesting) species.

    Realize that the USA is blinded from the activities that are happening in Nepenthes habitats; we only occasionally see a fraction of developmental activities that wipe out these populations forever. Wild collection is not as bad as it is reputed if you are able to see the underlying cause.

    I would never ask a resident of Borneo to dig me up an N. rajah, for my own selfish purposes. I am not "dead set" on having one, either. Don't be so ridiculous, and show a little respect, please.

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    I think it's also worth mentioning that a lot of the plants Rob finds end up getting mowed down at some point. On top of that, it's not like Pheonix is out there raping the jungle(quite the opposite, it seems), and I doubt there's enough people in that country interested in Nepenthes to make much of a difference even if they all decided they wanted one. And just because they aren't on a construction site right now, doesn't mean they won't be in the near future. I understand where Kris is coming from, but I don't think this case is the right one to get so worked up about these things.

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    I agree 100%, Chunkyhunks.
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    I think from a moral and conservatory sense, it is bad to collect plants from the begginning. Either way, people will want them, and cause their demise. I think that just because the law doesn't state that collectiong a specific plant is bad, it doesn't mean you can go ahead and collect it. There roles we have to play as humans, we already have caused a lot of harm. It is up to us to help to recuperate the balance. I think all those plants that were collected from the wild should be reintroduced and admired there. And be happy with whats readily available. The fact of just taking a few cuttings from the mother plant in the wild could affect the mother, this is why I don't believe in taking cuttings and leaving half the plant behind.

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    Jimmy notice i wasnt even being defensive about anything or saying anything negative until you brought stuff up. i was just simply saying he would need permits.
    only when you started posting these big explanations on stuff, did i get defensive because its rude to me, it makes me feel like your trying to prove yourself smarter than me, so in a way, your at fault too.
    i was not intending on being rude. i was simply making a point, you cant be two faced about things like these, it makes no sense.

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