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    Quote Originally Posted by rattler_mt View Post
    isnt that fun? i run into the same sort of issues with some species orchids.....only a handful of ppl will be having success growing them in enough quantity to sell for certain species.....aint anyway some of them will ever be mass produced.......you take what yah get when yah can get them if yah want them.......complain about the price and they will just sell to someone willing to spend it......

    look at N. × trusmadiensis......the only reason its as easy to get ahold of as it is, is some popped up out of TC'ed lowii seeds a few years ago.......pure luck that you can actually get ahold of it on anything remotely approaching a regular basis........
    You're right . . .

    You just have to accept that you're not going to see Nepenthes edwardsiana, hamata, villosa, macrophylla, jamban, tenuis, and oh, so many others in a Lowe's Death Cube anytime soon . . .
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    I wasnt trying to sound like (and im not!) someone who's just in it for the money. I was simply saying the nursery could make money off of rare plants. I completely agree with the statements about spreading the rare species out. The more the merrier huh? And it protects diversity (if it isnt TC'd obviously), and who doesnt find it amazing they have an endangered plant plant on their windowsil?

    BB's completely right. These plants will most likely always be rare, rather it be because they are difficult to propagate or because people can charge nearly anything for them.
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    just cause a nursery "can" make money off plants, doesnt mean they will............for MT to walk away from their Nep program is more than likely cause they werent making money at it..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyro View Post
    And on a personal note, I find it more than a little infuriating that people relatively new to the community (and for the record, I have been growing 10 years and I consider myself to be pretty new to the community) would be so critical that someone with 2 whole plants had not gone out and "flooded the world" with seed/cuttings.
    Quote Originally Posted by rattler_mt View Post
    also kinda gotta laugh at the fact that individuals that have never run a business(in some cases have never even had a real job) want to try and dictate how others run theirs so it will benefit themselves with no regard to the owner.........
    I agree. I believe it has to do with the false "entitlement" that some growers have. Especially in the internet age where any grower can share a picture of anything and others that do not have access or the money to obtain said plants think (or believe) that they are immediately entitled to grow them, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philcula View Post
    rattler - I feel your pain. I know the orchid grower you are referring to. Placing plants in competent grower's hands is important as the return is worth more than the plant will ever be. Plants you have shared/traded will make it back into your hands. Unfortunately some people don't see things in the same light. The dollar signs in their eyes far outweigh the perpetuation of rare material. If I'm not mistaken...that orchid grower has small divisions of Phragmipedium besseae for sale for $30,000 per growth. To each his own I guess.

    Varun - I have been told that N. hurrelliana is being released for sale this year. I don't recall if these are tc or seed grown...but given who they are comming from, you can expect they will be the most outrageously expensive 'little' things you have seen yet.
    Wow! truly fascinating Phil. it makes me wonder why this plant was ignored in the first place. I mean it grows on Mt. Kinabalu. There are around 30 species there. I think I can say almost all of them are in cultivation except edwardsiana and hurrelliana. We have read stuff about eddy being hard to multiply or start off in TC. But whats the fare for hurreliana.

    Yeah! You are probably right. The first batch of eddies and hurrelianas when they make em available will be outrageously priced. But the sad thing is most of us fanatics still spend the money on it.

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    But whats the fare for hurreliana.
    prolly cause it was discovered just a few years ago.........unless one happens to have ripe seeds available for collecting and a permit to collect at the time of discovery it tends to take time for them to enter cultivation......
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    well...formally N. hurrelliana was described only in 2003. Heck jamban was described in 2006 and we already have the plant in TC. Yeah! each species is different in its behavior in TC and probably on a relative level, N hurrelliana may be very rare further decreasing the probability of finding a plant in seed for collection. Anyways..... all I can say is the future in nepenthes cultivation looks very grand for us as we are finding more and more speices every year. Lets just hope that the eddy, klossii and hurrelliana can be made availible to public soon enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xvart View Post
    I agree. I believe it has to do with the false "entitlement" that some growers have. Especially in the internet age where any grower can share a picture of anything and others that do not have access or the money to obtain said plants think (or believe) that they are immediately entitled to grow them, too.

    xvart.
    I understand both your points, and readily accept that what I said was a bit hasty and in the end mostly unrealistic.

    But I don't believe that entitlement has anything to do with that at all. Who entitles whom to grow a plant? What merits entitlement?

    Although I do believe that the internet has definitely escalated countless people's obsessions, and of course made my sights set for more difficult and rare species to fulfill my hobby with, I fail to see where this leaves entitlement. As far as I see it, the only people whom are entitled to grow a plant such as Edwardsiana would be the folks at MT. Seeing as they got government entitlement from the authorities in Malaysia. Everyone else that grows an edwardsiana, is plain lucky, unless they got the permit too. I'm going to guess that these lucky people didn't feel entitled to grow that plant, as much as they had just always wanted to, like myself.

    My point is that's a really hefty word to throw around when we're discussing a simple hobby.
    LOOKING FOR: N. (argentii x bicalcarata) x {[(lingulata x edwardsiana) x (naga x hamata)] x [(klossii x undulatifolia) x (aristolochioides x rajah)]} Growlist: http://www.terraforums.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=124586

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