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    I love the positive encouragement for the prospective hamata grower.
    The reality is there is a reason you can't buy them for under $100 unless you make a REALLY good trade... the professionals who grow Neps for a living have a hard time propagating them. People who buy them have them die to a very high percentage. If you're succesful, you're unfortunately in the minority currently.

    As for a hamata hybrid showing teeth; http://pitcherplants.proboards34.com...ad=7028&page=2

    In my Nep. fantasy creations I dream of a Bical x hmata x bical x hamat x bical....
    in whatever order.

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    IIRC the reason hamata is a pain to find at the moment has more to do with legal issues over some TC material than any difficulty with growing it.....cause it was just a few years ago that it was pretty straight forward to get one....i know it was pretty straight forward to find one at a reasonable price the first couple years i was in the hobby, they werent cheap but they werent $100 either...

    as far as large numbers of them dieing in the hands of purchasers, thats pretty normal for most small plants.....lots of beginner growers have more money than smarts....see the same thing in the dart frog hobby....idiots buying $200 frogs and they have no clue how to keep a vivarium going....yet the person thats getting by with cheap materials in their one room apartment, saved up for 6 months to get that frog are having great success cause they are seriously interested in it and its not a short term hobby for them just cause they think its neat and have money to burn.....every year we see a flood of new members on this site.....2 years later less than 20% are still around.....

    as for that hybrid showing teeth....i agree thats teeth but most here must not cause there are a number of species that are easy to get ahold of with peristromes like that, that no one talks about....some of them can be had fairly cheap aswell........

    Joe......sounds like you had a pest or disease problem.....if your keeping lowii and rajah happy it aint your growing conditions.....mine is growing along side raff seedlings that are quite happy...humidity is only in the 50ish% range aswell...........
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    I'm not trying to get you quite so confrontational.
    I'm new here and am only conversing.
    I stated in reality....
    And in reality everything i stated I've read about repeatedly to the extent I would
    speak of it myself in polite conversation. In reality, of the experiences most Nepenthes
    lovers have had has been a hard time with plant. We're not talking about noobie know nothings
    with fat cash, but people who read and research. Edubacated seriously learned intelligented upstandering... PLANTOLOGISTS!!! All kidding aside your success with this species does IMHO puts you in a minority, a minority I hope to be in... until it's not a minority.

    So if it's not that difficult, why is it so loved but yet not available?
    The famed easy to grow much loved giant truncata is everywhere, mixed with everything.

    Obviously we disagree, but I seriously don't want to antagonize. I'm hoping we might meet somewhere in the middle.

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    Oh, to the best of my knowledge CITES has absolutely nothing to do with anything but wild collected plants or simply ascertaining that plants aren't transporting pests or pathogens. Andreas Wistuba (grower of the three available clone lines) has all this paperwork in place to the T. He and many growers overseas do business shipping plants endangered and not endangered (All nepenthes are endangered) to the states every day. Where are the nurseries brimming with these profitable, easy to grow (?), completely in demand plants?

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    i aint trying to be confrontational....speaking from my experience and the experience of the nep growers i talk to regularly which range from me up in the middle of nowhere in a rather harsh climate(few inches of rain from being labeled desert with extream temps in both directions) and am growing in my basement under lights to individuals growing them in greenhouses, Pyro grows alot of his plants in a crawlspace under lights and has stated he grows a hamata on a windowsill in Atlanta, not exactly a highlander paradise......

    one thing to take in consideration about me is my wife and i run two newspapers, and beating around the bush aint my strong suit....prolly doesnt help that negotiations with one of the two school personnel unions is starting up and they dont have a particularly high opinion of my wife and i because even though my dad is in on of the unions we keep things pretty well down the middle and dont print just pro union/anti school board stuff.....at some point in the next couple months im going to get a late night drunken phone call from a union member threatening to run my **** out of town....happens every time....

    hamata isnt CITES I listed so that aint an issue.....actually most of the CITES I CP's are fairly easy to get ahold of but the only neps listed as such is rajah and khasiana i believe, the others listed are Sarrs....

    do believe the majority of Andreas's plants wind up through out Europe and relatively few here go through the headache to buy from him directly so they pay higher prices through a secondary seller(i have gotten plants directly from him and via secondary sellers)........i know of more hamatas for sale in the last year than i saw jacs for sale and no one claims jac is terribly difficult, do believe atleast half a dozen of those hamatas went for significantly less than $100.....

    do believe the vast majority of plants as far as numbers coming into the US are from across the other ocean and one of them who had hamatas in TC i believe had to destroy all his stock both in TC and plants that had been removed from TC due to some legal issue which is what caused the shortage that has extended these last few years......they are getting more common once again as the production is getting back up.....so the first ones coming are more expensive due to supply and demand......its the way the world works.......its not due to them being extreamly difficult and touchy other than maybe being sensitive to humidity when young.....
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    This last post is difficult to respond to.
    I don't want to know about your job, union woes, or drunks beating on your door.
    This isn't your or my blog.
    For anyone involved in the press this is a terrible breach of etiquette.

    I truly appreciate the information on the TC importation/destruction. I truly take note and do see that quite differently.

    Good growing,
    Jack

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    Jack I appreciate that you are new here and please pardon me if I come off as a bit harsh sounding but kindly do not tell other members what they can and can not post. We are not a strict, stick to the point forum, we are rather loose and free here. Rattler is more than welcome to talk about his job and union woes and what not. And he was not posting it to "blog" but to make you, the newbie to the site, aware of why he was so blunt in his comments after you accused him of being confrontational. People who have been here know his style and none of them would have taken him as confrontational. You did and he felt a need to explain why. Do not jump on him for that.

    Now, as for the hamata drama...

    The reality is there is a reason you can't buy them for under $100 unless you make a REALLY good trade...
    The reality is you can buy one for less than $50. Just look around, they are out there. Hades! I gave away half a dozen this past year and sold twice that many for $40 shipped!!

    The over $100 ones are the just released seed grown which is why they have such a high demand. High demand makes for high prices. Basic economics...

    the professionals who grow Neps for a living have a hard time propagating them.
    How many "professionals" do you know? As in personally know, not just know of? Just curious.

    The experts (and I hate using that word cause even they do not use that word for themselves) that I know have no trouble growing them and propagating them. It is just that few of them want to hack up their plants and send out rooted cutting to people. Especially when the majority of those people are the instant gratification types who think that offering a D. capensis in trade for a hamata is fair or that think having to pay more than $50 for an well established, large rooted cutting is exorbitant. Maybe if they had to put the years of time and effort into growing a hamata to 1m tall so that it was cuttable they would feel a bit different. But, as rattler alluded to, most of those types will not be growing CPs in 2 years time so they just do not get it.

    As for professional propagators, I have spoken to a couple of them and hamata is not ultra amicable to TC so there is a small bottle neck there but it is not a huge one. Same situation with a number of Neps that are also easy to get.

    And in reality everything i stated I've read about repeatedly...
    There is a big difference in what you have read and what actually is. I read Savage Garden when I first go back into growing CPs. Now do not get me wrong, Pete is a great guy but after 10 years of growing there is not a lot in his book that applies to how I am actually growing my plants. That is reality. So you have read all over the web (of lies) that hamata is difficult... That does not mean it actually is. What you are reading is from all the people who are having troubles. You are not reading about all the people who are succeeding cause they are not coming to forums asking questions... They know what they are doing and their plants are growing just fine. Why then would they be all over the forums asking for help?? It is a disproportional display, not even close to a valid statistic.

    ...So if it's not that difficult, why is it so loved but yet not available?
    It is loved because it is so exotic looking, has nothing to do with difficulty.

    And as for availability, like I said above, it is easily available for cheaper that a lot of other Nepss if you just put a little effort into the search.

    The famed easy to grow much loved giant truncata is everywhere, mixed with everything.
    Apples to oranges here. The "much loved giant truncata" is everywhere cause it was discovered a couple hundred years ago and has been in cultivation almost as long. It has gone through numerous rounds of mass market TC distribution (and BTW it is one of those plants that is super amicable to TC). The flip side is that hamata has not been in cultivation for nearly as long. Heck, it was discovered less than 20 years ago! And, as rattler stated above, one of the major sources for it had to destroy their entire stock for legal reasons which set back the supply.

    Where are the nurseries brimming with these profitable, easy to grow (?), completely in demand plants?
    I am sorry, this almost has to be rhetorical... Where are the nurseries brimming with N. jacq? Or with N. veitchii? Or N. bical? Or with N. truncata? There are no nurseries brimming with any CPs, there are only the few specialized CP vendors. CP growers make up a fraction of 1% of total plant growers. We are an enigmatic group on the outskirts of gardening. The only CPs brimming anywhere are the cheap "disposable" ones like VFTs, a few Sarrs and even fewer uber easy Neps. Novelty items. You are not going to find any nursery with brimming supplies of all Nep species.
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    as Pyro said, from my end it looked like you were calling me confrontational.....being a newbie to this site was just giving yah a background on my "style" of posting.....most anyone thats been here very long knows it and doesnt take it wrong most of the time.....was an FYI and nothing else......most new members do tend to take me wrong......

    as for the rest.....i think Pyro covered better than i can.........
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