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    Just out of curiosity what is your medium you use? Sir K, what is yours? I know Steve uses a very free draining mix with cedar-I think know peat or shpagnum(righ Steve?).

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    Well dosent LFS break down very quickly do to the use of a fert, because it absorbs so much water correct. so LFS wouldnt be a good choice IMO for a media to use while using a fert .

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    I meant fertilizers in general that you should use 1/4 teaspoon. I've never researched fertilizing, but I'm pretty sure that for most fertilizers, you should 1/4 of a teapsoon. But the point is is that just because a fertilizer didn't quite work out for you, doesn't mean it's automatically bad. And The Griffin has a good point of the different kinds of soils being used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CN View Post
    Well dosent LFS break down very quickly do to the use of a fert, because it absorbs so much water correct. so LFS wouldnt be a good choice IMO for a media to use while using a fert .
    If you limit the fertilizing to a dilute foliar and pitcher feed, followed by a quick spraying of the moss, you can avoid damaging the live sphagnum. I do that for all of my Nepenthes and Heliamphora with good results . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Griffin View Post
    Just out of curiosity what is your medium you use? Sir K, what is yours? I know Steve uses a very free draining mix with cedar-I think know peat or shpagnum(righ Steve?).

    Cheers,


    Joe

    Joe- my mix varies from what i have handy at the time im making it
    but most of my neps are in a mix that consists of equal portions of peat/perlite/sand/lfs/osmunda fiber/orchid bark

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    yes we all do make mistakes, I know that I have learned from mine. I will never use this stuff again. Superthrive actually does work great for me. I only ever use that stuff now. The Best part about superthrive is that it's not a fertilizer. It's only Vitamins and Hormones.
    Yes it is very true that what works for one may not work out for another. Another part of lifes lessons that must be learned. The more you learn the wiser you become.
    Wait what?

    What is fertilizer? The ratings on fertilizer is only nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium. At least the standard rating. I understand the raw nature of entering this hobby rough but stop there! Superthrive has been debated and defended just as snake oil has been to medicine. (who knows maybe some snake oils were right but sold wrong!) But, you just accidently entered into an argument as saying maxsea is not to be trusted as neptunes harvest or some other random organic / chemical fertalizer. You have a large grow list, but did you post your application result as 50 / 50, or even to what plants? What just bloomed into action as a result from superthrive It's helpful to understand those result in order to personally trust or discredit your experience. It doesn't make any sense that you did both applications on the same plants, but with different products when they were never stated in the first place.

    A heart medicine to someone may be a liver medicine to someone else! Not the same thing!!! They are both medicines, but not water to the average person. Nor are they a sundew, a nepenthes, a sarra or anything inbetween! ... Let alone nep a, b or c.

    Please post more info about this, I'm really confused at this point.

    Don't mean to come down hard, but fertalizer is a mystery that needs real research and this hobby has not been shown attention to. In the vacuume of this real reasearch some of this has only been filled in with people guessing, lying, and experimenting on their own collection. But in all, be careful, don't start firing off blanks because you were foxed into a corner.

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    Never heard of the stuff myself.
    Recommend strength, 1/4 strength..... I guess this is why I stay very far away from any chemical fertilizer being added to pitcher, foliar, or soil.
    I use fruitflies, mealworms and superworms to feed my plants that are grown indoors and can not catch any bugs. My plants really love all natural whole foods. LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by elgecko View Post
    Never heard of the stuff myself.
    Recommend strength, 1/4 strength..... I guess this is why I stay very far away from any chemical fertilizer being added to pitcher, foliar, or soil.
    I use fruitflies, mealworms and superworms to feed my plants that are grown indoors and can not catch any bugs. My plants really love all natural whole foods. LOL
    That's what I'm talkin' about! I pop beta bites into my pitchers.

    I think I'll quote Barry Rice's FAQ here.

    "Nepenthes species are huge, spectacular, and often very, very expensive. As such, growers put great effort into growing them, and emotions on how this should be done can ride high. I think this explains why people who have developed different horticultural prescriptions are sometimes very vocal and even combative in defending their methods.

    Many of these methods are in direct conflict with each other. Which method should you use? Whatever works! You see, with this genus it is particularly true that what works well for one person does not work well for another. For example, if one person grows their plants in a greenhouse that is slightly less illuminated but much more humid with frequent waterings, the planting mix used does not need to retain much water--the plants might do very well with a planting mix that is almost pure aggregate and is very well drained. Meanwhile, if another grower has a very brightly lit greenhouse that is a little more dry and the waterings are rarer, the planting mix should have more Sphagnum to retain water. Whenever I get a new plant from another grower I repot the plant as soon as possible into a mix that I have found works well for me."
    http://www.sarracenia.com/faq/faq5428.html

    I think those are rather wise words. Instead of bickering about what the supreme nepenthes cultivation technique is, find what works best for you. If you don't want to mess with fertilizer anymore, don't do it. If you think fertilizers are the way to go, that's cool, but don't crucify someone who had a bad experience with them. If I lost a hamata to fertilization, I probably wouldn't touch fertilizer ever again myself.

    The bottom line is, if you're happy with how your plants are growing, there's no reason to change your methods. And if someone else is happy with different methods, there's no reason to try to get them to change (I say that to both parties of this conflict).

    Jason

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