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    Quote Originally Posted by F R e N c H 3 z View Post
    it MAY bite you if YOU go mess with it
    Exactly. Now if I knew a way to get it out WITHOUT being injured I would, if I were in the situation... HOWEVER, I don't. So chances are I would get bitten. I would be too concerned for my safety even with the flushing of the pitcher method... I don't think there's any debate here.

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    I understand your point of view french3z. I will catch most any insect in my own home, bees and wasps included to set them free. But if that truly is a funnel web spider, I would either kill it or call a professional to remove it.

    After I caught my breath from running and screaming that is.


    Quote Originally Posted by F R e N c H 3 z View Post
    I guess I really must follow my own words then and know more about these certain arachnids. The whole idea of killing before anything else is just one of those topics that irks me.
    If I know I'm going to live in an area where some sort of wild and dangerous animal lives, I try to prevent it from entering as much as I can (ie repellents)so I dont have to deal with removing it later.
    Back to the mosquito example, I dont go killing every mosquito I see, just the ones that bite me. Heck I even let the larvae be.

    And yes you're right seedjar, if there was something as aggressive and dangerous and it caught me off guard, my initial reaction would be to defend myself which would most likely result in me killing it.

    Sorry for the rant, like I said, the kill thing just rubs me the wrong way, but I will admit SOMETIMES it is the quickest/easiest and best answer. I'll get off my high horse now

    I am curious though, would you ( happy-gnome) be able to snap a picture of it? Google turns up some nice looking buggers so this should be a treat.

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    Spiders....uhg lol this hobby has definitely got my over my fear of them, but still hasnt removed my dislike of the whole group in general lol.
    Personally, if it were a non-venomous funnel web, id leave it be...
    However its the sydney funnel web, which it obviously has the possibility of being due to your location, id kill it.
    I dont know if you have a family, but even if it were just me, killing a single spider certainly outweighs the medical risk at hand.
    Like Joe said too, its a single spider, its not going to damage the gene pool, and i dont want to hear any takes off of that like "Oh its just a single plant, lets remove it from the wild, it wont damage the gene pool" because it holds no grounds with spiders, facts are, they multiply by the thousands and are much more prolific than neps or any other CP (other than perhaps D. capensis and bumannii lol)
    Again, if it is the Sydney Funnel Web, id have it professionally removed, or id kill the hell out of the damned thing.
    Yann as far as the "As soon as someone feels threatened, their first instinct is to kill it" - Well obviously it is, its called a natural instinct. To defend yourself, or those who mean something to you anyway, if you lack the instinct of self defense, then you pretty much set yourself up for a whole mess of bad things.

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    I don't like killing small animals or bugs, but I do agree with SK, pretty much everything he said.

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    the sydney funnel web is nothing to fool with. if you smoke you could light up a cig and blow the smoke to smoke it out like mentioned before. spiders have what are called book lungs. they cant really hold their breath. the air just freely goes through their lungs. once it is out it will probably make its way to the ground a scurry away. as for what you do afterwards is up to you. i wouldnt try to capture it for obvious safety risks. then afterwards you can cover up the hole to prevent the possibility from coming back for a while. funnel webs are crazy toxic and there is no A-V for their toxin. wear gloves and boots with your pants tucked in. its female im assuming since males usually wander around looking for mates. just be carful man. and good luck.

    there are a few aerosol sprays that kill spiders instantly too. like the wast killer. you might wanna look into those and they shouldnt harm your plants. just in case though if you use them i would flush out the pot many times.

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    Just my 2 cents, I'd kill it, spray the entire area around it and physically clean the area to get rid of the left overs. Who knows if it left an egg sack or how many there actually are. For me though, it's not just me, it's the family I've got to worry about.

    Mind you, I don't want my grave stone saying "Killed by his plants food" either
    me?

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    Wow, sorry guys, I didn't mean to start a heated discussion.

    I suppose I didn't make a few things clear enough. I DID try to remove it without killing it and it got, as seedjar said, very VERY fast and very VERY aggressive. I don't know exactly WHICH kind of funnel web it is, but as far as I am aware, any funnel web in this part of the country will kill me. I have lived here all my life and have a decent idea which spiders are bad for me.

    I think I mentioned, even redbacks I will let live (the nearest we have to a black widow as far as I'm aware) although I always relocate them. This one though is right in the plant, burrowed under the leaves. I can't go near the plant without it running out at me, even when I water it. I'd hate for a routine watering to end up at the hospital, and I KNOW what the hospitals reaction would be "you let a WHAT live in your house!?!!"

    In fact, just got this from wiki (not the most reliable I know, but you get the drift)

    "The Sydney funnel-web spider is one of the most dangerous spiders in the world and will defend itself aggressively if threatened or frightened. For this reason, humans are strongly advised not to approach them. Chances of being bitten are high if encountered, and bites can be lethal within 15 minutes if not treated."

    As prmills says too, it isn't just me, I live with two other people and the sunroom where the bloody thing lives is the entry to our house. My two year old nephew comes over, my elderly Nan comes over. The last thing I want si for either of them, or my housemates, to play with the trap and find themselves with a potentially fatal bite (significantly more deadly to my Nan or Nephew due to their age)

    As far as suggestions, thanks to all, I will try the smoke idea. If I can get it out of the plant I am a step ahead. I think public opinion locally will be 'don't relocate, we don't want it near our kids'. Having said that, I just looked at it again and think pest control might not be such a bad idea, though I was hoping there would be some kind of bait or spray.

    Thanks again everyone, sorry for the discussion : S

    John

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    A friend suggested drowning it too, but looking on the internet I just read they can survive 24 hours submerged and still bite you afterwards! Oh God, it's a super spider!

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    another idea if you can cover the plants or set them in a big cooler or the like....dry ice is just solid carbon dioxide.....if yah got access to it and can enclose the area fairly air tight.....CO2 is heavier than oxygen so air tight at the top doesnt matter as much as being able to allow the CO2 to "pool" and smoother the spider at the bottom.....i know of dart frog keepers that have used this technique to rid terrariums of infestations of various creepy crawlies, once they move the frogs to a holding tank of course....
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