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    my talangensis sends outs multiple basals quite frequently. i few months ago, my talan sent up 5 basals at once. my densiflora sent up 2 basals, gave one to a friend and left the other on then sold that plant...currently my glabrata has about 6 or 7 active growth points on it, my sibuyanensis x (northiana x veitchii) sent out a basal which grew a bit then died, i cut it back a bit only to see 3 growth points activated on the dead basal.
    my miranda activated 2 basals.....lol and i have an argentii which activated 4 basals and drained the mother plant before i caught it lol. so now ive got a 4 growth point argentii.....

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    I had 3 or 4 basals come out in a short time together on my ventricosa also.

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    Since I've never separated a basal before, I've always just left them on, the question is: Is it easier to cut and root the basals after they've established a good size (4-6 in and up) or is it better to get them while they're small (1-2 in)?
    Is it better to cut as close to the stem as possible or cut closer to the base of the basal?

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    I don't think there's really a yes/no answer to that question. Young basals are easier to remove and repot, but being unrooted or just recently rooted, they're harder to get established. When removing, I believe the idea is to cut as close to the original vine possible, but I don't know how critical it is. I think the idea behind cutting close is to include the newly activated root nodes at the bottom, so that the basals will root and resume growth faster than a totally unrooted cutting.
    As for the number of basals, I've had as many as eight or nine pop up at the same time on the old woody vines of my Deroose's Alata. But usually, when I get a bunch like that, only about half continue to grow. My ventricosa x inermis likes to make two, drop one, make two, drop one... all year long. I've never lost a mother vine as a result of new basals, although I can imagine an already sickly plant might stall or peter out altogether. My oldest Deroose's Alata vines will slow down and die from the tip after a few years, but the basals come up after the mother vine starts to die, not the other way around.
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    seedjar: when you say vines, i have to know, how tall/long are they!?
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    http://terraforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114907

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    Uh, it's hard to tell, because for a while when it was my first and only vining Nep, I would just push all the climbing stems together towards the center of the pot whenever it would start reaching out to adjoining plants. As a result, there's quite a few loops and bends in the length of the eight to ten vines in that pot. Presently two have climbed onto the shelf above on the grow rack, and a third one is getting close - I'm pretty sure those are each about four to six feet. The longest one may be close to seven feet - I'm bad with distances. The internode length is three to five inches, and it grows quickly. The one that produced nine basals is a woody stem that I've cut the top from once or twice - I believe the lead node grew into one of my shoplights and burned itself, and that's why it produced basals at a bend in the stem below. But the mother node came back after I found it and picked the burnt stuff off. (And moved it away from the lights - at least, further than wedged between a tube and the fixture.)
    I'm going to hack down that pot for cuttings, soon. I'll try to remember to make a picture thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seedjar View Post
    When removing, I believe the idea is to cut as close to the original vine possible, but I don't know how critical it is. I think the idea behind cutting close is to include the newly activated root nodes at the bottom, so that the basals will root and resume growth faster than a totally unrooted cutting.
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    Perfect, thanks Joe that's just what I needed. I'll try to get as close to the stem as possible and cross my fingers!

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