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    Mine is a baby about 6mo old from when I ordered from Wistuba (tiny plant still..clone U about 1.5" diameter), and it lives alongside every other nep I grow, which are mostly intermediate/highlands at house-temperatures. In fact right now it's sitting between an N.ampXsib, N.pervillei, D.callistos and N.macro. It took a couple weeks to settle in dropping all of its pitchers, but has taken off and started making cute little baby pitchers at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexenthes
    I haven't been keeping very close tabs on it lately, so its believed that it's extinct in the wild?
    Dex, clipeata is probably extinct in the wild (nobody's been to Mt. Kelam in a while...). I too hope that clipeata grows elsewhere in Borneo. Here's a small report by Joachim Nerz on Mt. Kelam (it's old!).


    Quote Originally Posted by dvg
    I believe there are five clones in commercial propagation.
    There are also more than five clones of pure clipeata in cultivation (maybe not all of them are commercially propagated, though). The Japanese growers have a few clones in cultivation (I forgot how many exactly). Here's something I found a while back (not mine):

    N.clipeataです。これも葉の付き方に特徴があって、普通は葉っぱの先端にツボが付くんですが、こいつぁ葉の真ん中へんからツボが付きだします。
    (Basically, the grower is saying that the leaves are a characteristic in diagnosing the species.)


    I also know of a grower in Borneo who has a mated pair of clipeatas and is currently propagating them by cuttings. Here's the link, it's about halfway down. Lay may possibly be my hero.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dexenthes
    Is it a very extreme lowlander? How tolerant of intermediate conditions would you say it is?
    It is a true intermediate. It grows at about 800 meters asl. atop Mt. Kelam in Borneo.

    Quote Originally Posted by dvg
    I'm still holding out hope for an as yet to be discovered colony. And if that does happen, it's location would have to be kept either a closely guarded secret or just closely guarded, until some of that plant material was at least legally and responsibly collected.
    As unlikely as that is, I hope that it really is true. It would be a shame to lose a species this great!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dexenthes
    I get sad every time I see a clipeata hybrid, to me it just signifies how much easier it is for the plant to be lost into genetic obscurity....
    Unfortunately, there just aren't any male and females flowering at the same time... if they could, I'm sure that people would make true species. Hybrids may be the closest some can get to clipeata, and there are natural hybrids including clipeata x rafflesiana and clipeata x reinwardtiana.


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    Truly a beathtaking species. When i actually have room, this will be a definite addition to my collection.

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    You have a very impressive array of knowledge regarding this species Clue.

    I can clearly see that you have a passion for N. clipeata.

    Nice work!

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    Clue, man you are a terrific powerhouse of information regarding clipeata! Hybrids, are a strange thing really, it would be a shame to waste any clipeata pollen or flowers of any kind, and finding other clipeatas I'm sure has proven to be extremely difficult. But at the same time, If one were to someday in the not so distant future own a Nepenthes (Rokko x {(clipeata x eymae) x clipeata}) x veitchii I think we can all agree that although it would be impressive, but it would not be like owning a true Nepenthes clipeata. That being said, as long as all growers take the most stringent efforts not to sell hybrids as true clipeata, there is a realistic future for this plant still.

    Hopefully in a few decades there will be some sort of pure species breeding somewhere and maybe a few seedlings can return to Mt. Kelam.

    This plant is so cool!
    LOOKING FOR: N. (argentii x bicalcarata) x {[(lingulata x edwardsiana) x (naga x hamata)] x [(klossii x undulatifolia) x (aristolochioides x rajah)]} Growlist: http://www.terraforums.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=124586

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    Hmm, is it that hard to exchange pollen by mail? I should think it ought to be a pretty simple thing for growers to get together online to do a pollination and split the seeds 50/50. Refrigerate out of season and extra pollen from males until such time as needed. Can also experiment with drying in a food dehydrator with adjustable temp mine goes as low as 90*F or 95*F (haven't used it in a couple years), enough to ensure dryness of the pollen heads before storage (no fungus/mildew) but not cook it.

    When I was deep into Neps there was some German guy (not Wistuba) running a mature Nep database online where growers could register (free) and enter their Nep plants sex info, people interested in mating their plants contacted each other. Maybe not enough people got onboard with it so he gave up the effort? At the time I had Clone U from Wistuba. It was about 8" when I sold it, grew very slowly for me I had it in bright lowland conditions which it apparently didn't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexenthes
    Hybrids, are a strange thing really, it would be a shame to waste any clipeata pollen or flowers of any kind, and finding other clipeatas I'm sure has proven to be extremely difficult. But at the same time, If one were to someday in the not so distant future own a Nepenthes (Rokko x {(clipeata x eymae) x clipeata}) x veitchii I think we can all agree that although it would be impressive, but it would not be like owning a true Nepenthes clipeata. That being said, as long as all growers take the most stringent efforts not to sell hybrids as true clipeata, there is a realistic future for this plant still.
    The NcSP (Nepenthes clipeata Survival Program) was supposed to network clipeata growers together in case there were males and females in flower at the same time. The problem with the program is that not all growers found the website and registered their clipeatas; IIRC it was mostly US and European growers who registered their plants, which all came from Wistuba, and all the clipeata that have ever flowered from AW have been males (clone 3 and some unidentified clones). This is a thread that Clint posted for a friend with a flowering male clipeata. And let's not forget it takes clipeata a lot longer than most Neps to flower.

    Joachim Danz (not to be confused with Joachim Nerz) has a female clipeata that was from the Munich Botanical Gardens. Joachim is a member of Terraforums, but I haven't seen him on the forum for a long while.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dexenthes
    Hopefully in a few decades there will be some sort of pure species breeding somewhere and maybe a few seedlings can return to Mt. Kelam.
    That would be good news. Hopefully, if there are any clipeata left, their habitat would remain unmolested and healthy.

    Quote Originally Posted by dvg
    You have a very impressive array of knowledge regarding this species Clue.
    When you like a species enough, you try to learn as much as you can about it.


    Register your clipeata clones! The process is fairly simple; I registered my clone 2 before it died. >.<
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    Thanks for posting that link to register, Clue. Perhaps I'll assume I won't kill my Clone U and register it later today...

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