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    I realize that this plant is an "illegal alien" on this thread, but this bugger was also experimentally treated with coffee back in March; and while pitcher growth hasn't been accelerated, the same cannot be said for the sphagnum "Afro" that the plant is sporting, since that dousing . . .

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    wow BigB! I really need to bug someone to make some coffee with DISTILLED water. Perhaps thats why my sphagnum died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vraev View Post
    wow BigB! I really need to bug someone to make some coffee with DISTILLED water. Perhaps thats why my sphagnum died.
    That may very well be the case, since all of the coffee used was brewed with RO water (at 5-6 ppm); and I also posted something about sphagnum being a good indicator of overall plant health some time back: http://www.terraforums.com/forums/sh...ight=indicator . . .
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    yup! I totally agree about sphagnum being the'canary' or 'coral reef'. I used to have tons and tons of live sphagnum that I grew from a starter clump and back in those days (before jan 10), I used to have a very very nice stock of it in all my nep pots. Infact, it was to the point that i had to weed it out to prevent it from drowning the plants. Unfortunately, after it all died, its at the painstaking process of re-colonizing and regrowing.

    this was a clump I pulled out from my old N. rajah pot a couple of years ago. I haven't seen one strand like this since.



    I am trying to see if I can get some of this growing again. There are a few heads here and there, but it might be the chilean form. For sure I have got quite a bit of the chilean sphagnum growing. But, I prefer the older newzealand form.

    Yeah!! when I coffeed my small villosa, macro, all that happened was the dead moss and little bit of live moss in the pots got fully ridden with slime algae. I haven't noticed any positive effect of the coffee at all. If anything, my bigger villosa which is on a pure bug diet is still doing better than the smaller one.

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    I find that strange that you experienced algal growth after the coffee treatment; and I know of few instances where that was ever the case. Last March, I treated something on the order of sixty pots without incidence of any algal bloom; and it's clear that my sphagnum moss hasn't suffered either . . .
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    Hmm...perhaps it has to do it with the fact I bought that black coffee at Tim hortons? They use regular tap water for brewing coffee. As some of the water evaporates, the conductivity and level of ions in the water would be far higher than normal? Either way, I might have to get into the habit of coffee and then, I should serve my botanical pets some brewed and distilled coffee. But until then, I'm still a bit wary about trying it again.

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    Last edited by BigBella; 06-13-2010 at 12:58 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vraev View Post
    Hmm...perhaps it has to do it with the fact I bought that black coffee at Tim hortons? They use regular tap water for brewing coffee. As some of the water evaporates, the conductivity and level of ions in the water would be far higher than normal? Either way, I might have to get into the habit of coffee and then, I should serve my botanical pets some brewed and distilled coffee. But until then, I'm still a bit wary about trying it again.
    I'm going to be the red herring and say out in the forest, when the neps get watered, it's through tree leaves and ground litter which definitely isn't practically hypoallergenically sanitized and R.O'd. It's likely running through pollen, animal poo and rotting vegetation...which is sorta like coffee [I'm totally a coffee fiend, btw...Sumatran all the way cuz it's tasty and neps are from around there..]

    I think what we're missing is someone to go to the top of Mt.Kinabalu and/or some other mountain, put a water gauge up in a shallow hole in the ground in multiple places, and then take at least a ppm reading.

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