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    I found out from Lil Stinkpot (Katie) that they're actually fungus gnat larvae and nothing to be worried about. So all I have is this plant that is going to be down in the dumps for a while...

    Sigh.
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    I think we all know where that came from. I will never order from them again.
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    Keep the plant in VERY HIGH humidity for a while, with a humidity tent or plastic bag if you have to. I lost plants from them in the past, but the humidity tent works wonders in helping them make the transition.

    Hard part about the company in question, is that they do have a nice website, a real decent variety of plants, some at very good prices (on sale), and it makes it difficult to just avoid them.
    I am a big proponent of shipping un-potted plants. It makes it so much easier for everyone. And if someone doesn't know how to pot up a Nepenthes, it is good experience! Yea a novice could kill it, but IF the supplier AND the buyer takes a simple bit of care, it is actually better off on all accounts.
    Well, enjoy your bugs...er ah, plants!
    They will pull thru...just keep them real moist and happy!

    And remember people, in this day and age, you never know who has what! So QUARANTINE your new plants!!!
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    But then, common sense isn't so common anymore, is it.


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    The fungus gnat larvae apparently happens to everybody, I found these things in my year old pots from one of my favorite nurseries up in Oregon, so I wouldn't think too harshly of that. I think they're just a part of the microecology found in greenhouse plants.

    Anyways, here it is in my collection (and recovering). It's sitting under the 2 23w 6500k CFL's (left side) , I think the plant needs some shelter, so I'm not going to throw it under the 105w 5000k CFL (right side) like my other plants. I'm still offering the Talangensis next to my N. Miranda it's actually working at a leaf pace of 1 leaf every two weeks (I'm still offering it to the first guy who ships me a nice Truncata or Khasiana). Two plants over is Andrew's N. Sanguinea which is just looking awesome! It's already started growing for me.

    You know what the sad thing is?

    I never got my N. Reinwardtiana. I don't care how badly it would have been shipped to me, but I've become such a fan of that plant based on what I've read on it's cultivation. Some say it's easier than N. Alata! (Mine has already started producing basals after a couple months)

    N. Maxima is a nice plant on it's own, and I ended up getting a size medium plant in exchange for the N Reinward which was supposed to be a replacement for the N. Spect. I think the N. Spect is showing signs of life, but It's really hard to tell at that size.

    We should really start a fund for the victims of this vendor... get me that darn N. Reinward. The more it eludes me, the more I want it. Right now a Truncata is on my list though.

    Anyways thanks for being supportive TF. I emailed the vendor, but I don't think I'll be hearing from him anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_Himself View Post
    The fungus gnat larvae apparently happens to everybody, I found these things in my year old pots from one of my favorite nurseries up in Oregon, so I wouldn't think too harshly of that. I think they're just a part of the microecology found in greenhouse plants.
    Actually that is not true. Fungus gnats are not benign and can cause significant damage to plant roots and open up pathways for disease to cause even more damage or kill the plants outright. A proper nursery controls them effectively like any pest. Hobbiests should not stand for pests or disease of any sort on plants they receive from commercial nurseries, REGARDLESS OF THE PRICE PAID. Nor should they stand for plants damaged in transit from improper packing, or plants that are not FULLY reestablished after importing if it originated from an overseas supplier. There are no excuses for not receiving 100% healthy and established plants for your hard earned dollar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Paroubek View Post
    Actually that is not true. Fungus gnats are not benign and can cause significant damage to plant roots and open up pathways for disease to cause even more damage or kill the plants outright. A proper nursery controls them effectively like any pest.
    A point I've made many times. Indeed the Department of Agriculture of nearly every state in the US has classified fungus gnats as a serious pest responsible for many lost dollars in crop damage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Paroubek View Post
    Hobbiests should not stand for pests or disease of any sort on plants they receive from commercial nurseries, REGARDLESS OF THE PRICE PAID.
    So much for Phytosanitary certificates. I suppose a complaint can be lodged with the proper authorities.
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    I do agree with Tony and others on some points...
    Fungus gnats are not a pest I would just tolerate. (Enduring spring tails are bad enough!)
    And yes, a proper nursery controls pests effectively, but the nursery in question has already earned the reputation here on the forum, for not being an entirely proper nursery!

    It would be nice to hold commercial nurseries more responsible for their "product", but there is only so much a person can do. Look how long they have had the reputation they do, and yet still they are in business doing the same thing repeatedly.
    As far as "REGARDLESS OF THE PRICE PAID", I for one have had heavy financial problems over the years, and so if I can get something "on the cheap", I don't expect it to be of the same standard as something I pay more for. It would be nice, but not all of us can afford top prices for top merchandise. (Wish I could however!)
    For example, I have a nearby plant grower (non-CP) who offers spindly little plants in questionable condition. However, he has varieties I can not find elsewhere and sells things for a decent price for what they are. While I wish his plants were better, I know he would have to charge a lot more for more mature and healthy/robust plants. As such, I go to him to get what varieties I want, at a price I can afford. (I couldn't even get them otherwise!) So in a way, he is filling a niche.

    I will say however, that the nursery in question is not so cheap compared to other online nurseries, that he should be putting out diseased, bug infested plants. The only reason I have dealt with them in the past, is because I happened to receive a gift certificate to them from a generous relative. (I was rather upset when I saw it was from them, of all places!)

    As far as plants damaged in transit from improper packing, that has always been hard to prove! I just don't understand why they do what they do sometimes as it makes no sense.
    One problem is however, that while I would prefer receiving plants that are un-potted and gently packed in a sealed bag, surrounded by a soft bed of wet LFS... I imagine there are people who would prefer their plants handled/packed differently. I have no problem potting up a plant, but some people do. But I do know, that if the person un-potting the plant to ship out is reckless and uncaring, they can severely damage the roots of the plants and do more harm than good.

    And shipping out plants that are not FULLY reestablished is uncaring and reckless, but I know a lot of suppliers that do that, if not regularly, then at some point or another. I guess like a lot of businesses, corners are cut.... and some businesses just care less than others.
    It seems to me, that anyone who has been on this forum for any reasonable length of time, should know what they are getting into and the risks they are taking when dealing with "certain vendors"! Some risks are worth taking, others are not.
    If you know what you are possibly getting into, you really only have yourself to hold accountable. (ie: Screw me once, shame on you....screw me twice, shame on me! Duh!)

    There may be no excuses for a vendor not sending out 100% healthy and established plants, but sometimes there are reasons for not expecting 100% healthy and established plants for your hard earned 50 cents! Perhaps I have my standards set too low at times, but I came from a time when the more rare varieties were not even available. So when I have an opportunity to buy something I never thought I could, especially at a price I can afford, I am willing to tolerate a certain degree of substandard conditions. (I am not referring to the nursery in question concerning this, as they certainly are not always the lowest price nursery around!)
    I draw the line however, with fungus, diseases, severely damaged plants, and plants that are so immature via premature removal out of TC that they can't possibly be expected to survive. I have dealt with many nurseries considered "reputable", and occasionally have still had problems as I mentioned. It is not so bad when I spend $20 on something, but when I spend $40, $60 or more on one plant, only to have it arrive near dead (and which dies shortly after I get it), THAT is what is aggravating to me.
    In a way, I would rather receive a robust plant with some bugs that I can get rid of myself, than receive a plant that is half dead, grossly immature, and has absolutely no hope of surviving. So I do draw the line, but I draw it where I think it counts most.... for me.

    Good luck everyone. This has been an issue for years and years AND YEARS, with CP's and a lot of other living things!
    Experience is the best teacher. At least it used to be.
    But then, common sense isn't so common anymore, is it.


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    I would rather pay more for a healthy pest free plant than a battered infested plant. I would rather be set on fire and put out with battery acid than order from someone who treats their plants like that.
    Some days it just isn't worth chewing thru the restraints.

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