and here we go
Some days it just isn't worth chewing thru the restraints.
My growlist: http://www.terraforums.com/forums/sh...255#post961255
Video of my birth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xc5wIpUenQ
Here is another shot: http://cpforums.org/gallery/d/32537-6/newvftwithbugs Like I said, most of the live ones jumped ship as I took it out of the bag... Glad I saw them through the bag so I didn't do that in the g/h. If you look you'll also see the white shells of all the baby aphids indicating there were a lot.
Last edited by adnedarn; 04-17-2010 at 10:05 PM.
I say swish it around in some RO and kill 'em all. the air bubbles should pop.
This was a month ago dude... You don't think I've killed aphids by now? haha
I found the ID tag in the box. It was taped to the inside. Way to go guys.
All the gnats/mites/scale and whatever was potentially on the plants we're taken care of by "Green Light NEEM II" which is a mixture of organic pyrethrins (marigold based) and neem oil. I hadn't even thought the fungus gnats we're a problem until the slime trails showed up literally a couple hours after opening the box. I left sticky traps out and caught a few adults too, but everything from plant to soil is sprayed down.
I'm sorry if this thread was counterproductive towards my interests. I really would have liked to trade with a bunch of you guys, but I guess that will have to wait. My experience with plants as a hobby in general is pretty expansive and I've only started growing CP's last year although with great success and I haven't lost a nep so far.
PS, to those who've been PM'ing me about my maxsea usage and results, here is how my plants have been coming along. The Veitchii x Platychila, N x Miranda, and N. Gentle on the right have shown dramatic increases in growth. The N. Ventricosa has been growing these huge leaves for the last 5 nodes and the nodes are the most compact I've ever seen compared to earlier nodes. The Spect x Vent in lower middle of the black tray grew those three bigger and greener leaves. As far as pitcher to leaf size goes, it's all been proportional thank goodness. Also with my new bulbs, it's turned the Miranda pitchers almost black in color.
Also, how awesome is the N. Sang I got from Andrew earlier this week? It's already working on it's first pitcher since Monday. Awesome.
Have you used the Green Light Neem II on everything with no detrimental effects? I thought about it, but then got scared that it might melt my plants and just went with the Neem concentrate to mix with RO gallons because I thought it would be safer (and I needed a whole lot more than that 1 bottle for the infestation I had last year!).
Yeah, I've emptied the darn thing on my sarrs during aphid season. The dews don't really like it on their tentacles and get all ugly, so I try to not overspray, the roots don't mind at all though!
I've used it on neps no problem before, I just don't think neem is a great contact killer on it's own so this stuff has pyrethrins as well, I started using this stuff instead of my bayer 3-in-1 lately because it's organic, the Bayer was used only on my nep's leaves to protect myself from Crap Terrarium Depot's stock when they decided I didn't have enough spider mites in my collection.
since I seem to have said some things worthy of attention....
For one, we all have a different opinion of what a "new grower" is, and while I can remember how much (or little) real experience I had after raising CP's for a few years, I do see that even after all the time that has passed and all the plants that I have grown (both successfully and unsuccessfully) since then, that I still do not know nearly as much as I would like.
I also realize that even after years and years of growing plants successfully, something unexpected can still easily happen to wipe out my entire collection. Just because I start to grow some Neps or Dews lets say, without ever killing any or having problems of any sorts, even for a few years, does NOT make me an expert or even a highly experienced grower. Lucky perhaps! But without experiencing some plant diseases, fungus, insect infestations, plant killing temperatures or other general situations requiring resurrections or overcoming other near death experiences, how can I call myself experienced or trust myself to handle such possible situations with confidence in the future? Who knows better how to endure the storm, than someone who has by their own hand and not luck, endured the storms many times before?
To me, every "problem situation" that arises, is another opportunity to learn how to handle something new, and it is experiences like these that can help make us better growers. Knowledge and understanding is not just a measure of time and luck! And while studying and reading about something is extremely valuable, it is still not a replacement for hands on experience. I have seen many growers who have "not killed" plants for years, but they have no real growing experience. And so without some external guidance or hand-holding from others, I know for a fact that they cannot confidently do basic things like transplant a plant or divide it to produce others, without a good chance of killing it!
I only mentioned about "new growers" (in the first place) in relation to "problem" situations that they have not encountered before, and to help people realize that even when bad things do happen, they can benefit from it. I myself have learned some of the most important lessons in growing, from turning a problem around and getting a plant to survive thru peril, and eventually thrive (or even in trying but failing). (I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but then this is a varied audience.)
Chris, in looking over your posts you have repeatedly expressed worry about people not trading with you.... (I didn't bring it up first, but responded to your expressed concern.) ...and here again you mention "....that sucks that people won't consider trades with me anymore based on this bug bomb of an abomination." But as I tried to reassure you already about myself.... I don't think any grower who trusts their capabilities will have a problem trading with you. You have shown your capability to find and identify "bugs" and problems already, and expressed a disgust for them. I would think people could trust you more because of this! But as I pointed out already about this being a varied audience, you will indeed still find that some people will come to the logical conclusion, while others can not.
[Hellooooo, even Andrew had aphids on one of his plants and worms in another! That doesn't mean you aren't gonna trust him, does it? Well....!]
So I guess I am saying, try not worrying so much about trading your plants, as it will happen when the time is right. Be patient, and stop bringing it up how no one is gonna trade with you! Just put out your trade "have's" from time to time, and what you are hoping to find, and it will happen.... (so long as whatever you are offering and wanting, is a reasonable trade of course!)
Andrew, I couldn't get into the link (on post #43): http://cpforums.org/gallery/d/32537-6/newvftwithbugs . Maybe I am doing something wrong again, but for me it asks for user name and password and doesn't show a picture.
And it wasn't until (post #36) when Exo used his "20-20" vision to see the aphid and mentioned it, that I even noticed it. (I am Growin'old ya know, so the eyesight ain't what it used to be!) I do apologize, but I didn't see any reference to anything about aphids before that either. (Boy, my eye sight sure isn't what it used to be! Pictures and words, whats next?)
Had I caught the mention of aphids on it, I would have made the connection and probably located the aphid. Again, sorry.... at a normal glance it just looked like a VFT bulb out of cold storage to me. (I didn't even notice on the "huge" picture, although I only gave it a glance too, and again wasn't looking for aphids. To me it hust looked like a bigger version and I couldn't see it covered with aphids, in focus or out! In all fairness to you, I have to admit that I usually have trouble with a lot of the photos that people post online, especially the really large ones. They just look like the same out of focused pictures, only larger, so that now I have to move the picture around to see the whole thing! I didn't used to have this problem, but from years of doing very fine close up work, my eyes are shot and it is just plain difficult for me to see what is going on sometimes.)
Actually, when I looked at the (normal sized) picture, I kinda liked the VFT bulb! It looked decent size and all, and I didn't see any real damage or rot to it! (I thought it looked pretty good, as I have seen a lot worse, and was impressed at how good it looked after being in dormancy/cold storage! That's why I wanted to see the rest of the bulb, as I couldn't tell what I was supposed to be seeing! Now I really feel old!)
Also, the reason I mentioned it looking like a normal VFT bulb, was that I thought perhaps Timmy was asking what it was when he mentioned about cultivar. (Sorry Timmy, I just never understand what you are really asking sometime, or why!)
Indeed aphids can become a real nuisance, especially lethal for other garden plants that I grow. I have experienced "blooms" of them and other pests in the greenhouse in past years, even in the winter! (Winter's unexpected guest list also includes frogs, preying mantis's, and some unusual butterflies!)
However, here again, not something a vendor should be sending out in good conscience. (But then, if the VFT bulbs were a dime a piece, I would easily accept the risk! Especially if the real damage that they had done was only negligible. Again, something I would trust on past experience to help me decide.)
Oh boy, accepting infested plants... bad me again! I bet I'm gonna get flack for that one! ...but hey, I can picture the ad:
"Large, lightly damaged aphid infested VFT bulbs for sale....10 cents a piece!"
(Oh yea, it will have to specify the cultivar of course! I almost forgot!)
And yes, a layer of rocks/weed shield, etc are some of the common sense things one would expect from a decent vendor! As you say, even if it isn't outright destructive, these are things that are easily preventable and shouldn't be happening from someone who is a vendor. (I assume your "problems" came from an individual, and if not, is a vendor you have spoken to about the issue.)
And thanks for clarifying on the picture SirKristoff. It certainly helps! (Especially slow, semi-blind people like me who need things spelled out!) By the time I saw it this time however, I already read Exo's post and looked for and found the aphid and his "skin/shell". (Prior to that, I thought the white aphid "shells" were some fungus crud left over from cold storage.)
Actually, I used to be very good at the "where's Waldo" things! Now I am gonna have to call Exo to help me read the posts correctly! Oh jeez, you have no idea how ironic that is to me!
Well, I think I addressed everything that was brought up... oh yea, on the surface and taken at face value, I don't understand about the whole R.O. water thing killing aphids with popping bubbles, but then I didn't make the connection or see any relation to the conversation at hand concerning aphids infesting a VFT bulb ...awhen the question arose about what cultivar the VFT was, either... but then in re-reading it I figured it out!
I apologize, as it is sometimes a bit difficult to understand and communicate effectively via a "faceless" forum environment, without having the cues necessary for a full understanding as to where the "ideas" and information presented are coming from and how to take them and how to respond.
After further research, in spite if other issues, I think it is ultimately very nice to see when someone can identify how nice some people can be here on the forum, and are thus wanting to be a part of that.
And I REALLY don't expect many people to understand what that meant!
BTW, not that it is practical for others and it is probably already common knowledge with everyone, but in the past I have sprayed plants to kill off the bugs, and then sprayed the plants again later with clean, fresh water to wash off the other "bug" spray, to help prevent some of the problems that are apparently of concern.
Oh well, it's been a real...treat.... Love to stay... But for now I am off to grow something fun!
Last edited by adnedarn; 04-17-2010 at 10:05 PM. Reason: fixed url i posted
Experience is the best teacher. At least it used to be.
But then, common sense isn't so common anymore, is it.