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    this is very sad,i am sure everyone knows how gutted you must be,i hope you can save some,

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    This is very saddening, I really hope they bounce back.

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    Very sorry to see such damage Varun I know how much you treasure your plants. From your photos I would hope a few may well pull though with luck. The burbidgeae x edwardsiana & at least one of the jambans look as if they could survive. One of my mini maxima went like this a few years ago where the whole plant went brown/black after a colder spell. I brought it indoors and took a few cuttings from of the damaged stems. They failed to take but the mother plant did resprout in the spring. So keep all your plants and give them the same treatment they had before the accident. Is the tank normally heated or does it just get its warmth from the room temperature its in?

    I always hate winters and the unexpected nasty surprises they can throw up. The very best of luck and fingers crossed.

    bill

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    Thanks for all the comments guys. I appreciate the advice. I guess there isn't much I can do but hope.

    I felt the plants. The macrophylla had thick thick leaves…but now they have become flexible to bend..which means they are mushy inside. The jamban BE clone is fully soft. The same fate is of the burbidgeae x edwardsiana, mira, villosa and most of the jamban seedlings. One of the seedlings still has a hint of green on the stem in some places.

    I just don't feel like looking into the tank again. On closer inspection I find that even my two robcantleyi seedlings may be dead. The leaves look dark green, but the tissue is very mushy inside. I remember they used to be tough and firm.

    I also found more plants that weren't directly visible to have problems.



    Both my robcontleyi seedlings. Both of their stems and leaves are now mushy inside.



    my villosa


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    N. villosa looks okay. Damn, I didn't know you had such an impressive collection. Once my SPhagnum spreads some more I'm definitely going to try to send you some to help consolidate the losses.

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    OMG that's horrible! If I lived in Canada I'd send you some plants My heart goes out to you..

    You know I've heard people having their plants sprout back from the roots when the top dies so don't toss them quite yet - give them 6 months if you've got the room to see if basals pop up on the ones that didn't have frozen solid pots. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowinOld View Post
    After thawing, go thru the plants & feel them.
    Indeed the coloring shows major freeze burn...
    but feel the stems to see if they are mushy inside.
    Healthy tissue will be somewhat firm, but freezing bursts the cells inside the plant,
    leaving a mushy goo with a "skin"!
    Stems & leaves may look intact, but the insides is where it really matters.
    Any dead tissue won't return, so if you need to, un-pot them & feel the stems & roots.

    IF you can feel anything that seems firm & normal, it may still be alive in that portion. However you will need to remove all the mushy parts, even if that means only having a small portion of root & stem left.

    If there is anything left, pot it up! I would use a rooting hormone to encourage further rooting if possible, and then give the "plants" their normal environment again.
    It is a long shot anyway, but I have been able to salvage a few things this way, so if anything does still seem intact, give it a try.
    Leaving dead/mushy tissue on healthy tissue will make the whole thing rot.

    Well, good luck. From the look of it, you are going to need it.
    Hard lesson to learn, but having a set-up of any kind has its drawbacks, and it isn't always easy to have a "back-up" to cover every possible bad scenario.

    VERY sorry to see the loss. They looked like nice plants.

    Paul


    After a second look, I can only say "That is just plain sad"!
    In time the areas that are slightly discolored will get worse looking. The pictures don't do justice to showing the actual damage, but in time it will indeed become more obvious. Try to not wait too long, for like gangrene in a human, dead tissue will spread rot into good/healthy tissue... so once you determine the actual damage, bet on to a bit of surgery to salvage what is left alive.
    I wish you luck on this process. But it can indeed be done, and may be your only viable option.
    Plants can be very hardy & can survive a lot. But sometimes they need our help. Again, good luck.
    Thanks Paul for the detailed advice. SO do u think I should uncover the sheathed growth points in plants and cut away all the surround dead leaves and leave the stumps? Is repotting in this time a good idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fly-catchers View Post
    Very sorry to see such damage Varun I know how much you treasure your plants. From your photos I would hope a few may well pull though with luck. The burbidgeae x edwardsiana & at least one of the jambans look as if they could survive. One of my mini maxima went like this a few years ago where the whole plant went brown/black after a colder spell. I brought it indoors and took a few cuttings from of the damaged stems. They failed to take but the mother plant did resprout in the spring. So keep all your plants and give them the same treatment they had before the accident. Is the tank normally heated or does it just get its warmth from the room temperature its in?

    I always hate winters and the unexpected nasty surprises they can throw up. The very best of luck and fingers crossed.

    bill
    The heating in the apartment is baseboard heating. I have no control over it. So generally in summer there is too much heating (25 floor apartment). Thats why for the past 4y I have lived here, I have vented in cool air from outside using a pipe and blew it through a humidifier output into the tank. It was never an issue. During day time they are fine because of the 8 T5 lights that put out their own amount of heat.

    Quote Originally Posted by thez_yo View Post
    OMG that's horrible! If I lived in Canada I'd send you some plants My heart goes out to you..

    You know I've heard people having their plants sprout back from the roots when the top dies so don't toss them quite yet - give them 6 months if you've got the room to see if basals pop up on the ones that didn't have frozen solid pots. Good luck.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wire Man View Post
    N. villosa looks okay. Damn, I didn't know you had such an impressive collection. Once my SPhagnum spreads some more I'm definitely going to try to send you some to help consolidate the losses.
    Thanks guys. I will not give up on them. I'll wait till the whole thing goes black or starts growing again.

    Well WireMan...doesn't matter anymore.... These were my most precious plants...especially the seedlings, the macrophylla, the burbidgeae x edwardsiana, tenuis and the robcantleyii. If they don't recover, I don't think I can get these plants again anytime soon. Thanks for the offer on the moss. But don't worry about it for now. Whats the point if I don't even have good plants to use the moss as a top dressing.

    Thanks everyone for the kind remarks. I just don't feel like looking at the tank again. Everytime I look in, I spot something else messed up. I know a couple of my lepanthes aren't looking great either.

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    What a nightmare. Not only to have possibly lost so many plants, but all that time also. I really hope they pull through for you.

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