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    Its the exact quote

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    If someone wants their money back they can't complain when people ask for the product to be sent back regardless of its condition. If he sent dirt he can ask for it back if you want your money back. Yes he should pay for shipping, but that's it. I just would stay away from his trades in the future.

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    I apologize in advance but it looks like I need to share some differences of opinion with many (or all) of the posters in this thread. I've read all of the posts here & over on the [REDACTED] (Doom added his post while I was writing mine - looks like we agree - he just said it in a lot fewer words).

    I do agree that many of these plants are in horrible shape (duh). However, I saw the post on the other forum (before JB posted here) and remember thinking after I saw the N. platychila - "wow, that plant's total garbage - who would ever want to buy that?" and then "a few of the others don't look horrible but why would I ever buy from a guy with all those issues?". I then proceeded further down in the thread and saw all of the people who expressed interest & thought "wow - that's just crazy....".

    JB saw all the same things I saw & still decided to purchase plants from this guy. He received the plants and didn't like what he saw. The seller agreed to take the plants back and return both the original money and the cost of shipping. How is this wrong? JB would lose nothing except some wasted time - which imo, is a small price to pay for the lessons learned here.

    JB believes (as do several other people) that he should receive a full refund and be allowed to keep the plants. Why? What part of this deal warrants JB receiving these plants for free?

    - the seller didn't disclose the condition >> he posted many pics of sick or dying plants. In addition, at least one other buyer asked for (& received) pics of the plants he was buying.
    - the plants will die on the return trip >> that's a risk the seller is willing to take - why doesn't he have the right to ask for the plants to be returned in exchange for a refund?

    I'm obviously seeing things differently than the majority of people on this thread. I do not mean to pick on JB but I find it difficult to see things from his perspective and draw the same conclusions ....
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    No I definitely agree with you to a certain extent, Ron.

    If he's going to refund the money then it makes sense to send back the plant. Though it is a shame to think that the plant probably wont survive (if not the return trip, then the conditions that the seller provides). N. ventricosa x hamata is so nice!

    Anyway, it is also true that JB didn't think it through quite enough before making the transaction. I personally almost never trade or buy anything without seeing pictures before hand. Even then, I am very leery until they actually arrive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RL7836 View Post
    I apologize in advance but it looks like I need to share some differences of opinion with many (or all) of the posters in this thread. I've read all of the posts here & over on the other forum (Doom added his post while I was writing mine - looks like we agree - he just said it in a lot fewer words).

    I do agree that many of these plants are in horrible shape (duh). However, I saw the post on the other forum (before JB posted here) and remember thinking after I saw the N. platychila - "wow, that plant's total garbage - who would ever want to buy that?" and then "a few of the others don't look horrible but why would I ever buy from a guy with all those issues?". I then proceeded further down in the thread and saw all of the people who expressed interest & thought "wow - that's just crazy....".

    JB saw all the same things I saw & still decided to purchase plants from this guy. He received the plants and didn't like what he saw. The seller agreed to take the plants back and return both the original money and the cost of shipping. How is this wrong? JB would lose nothing except some wasted time - which imo, is a small price to pay for the lessons learned here.

    JB believes (as do several other people) that he should receive a full refund and be allowed to keep the plants. Why? What part of this deal warrants JB receiving these plants for free?

    - the seller didn't disclose the condition >> he posted many pics of sick or dying plants. In addition, at least one other buyer asked for (& received) pics of the plants he was buying.
    - the plants will die on the return trip >> that's a risk the seller is willing to take - why doesn't he have the right to ask for the plants to be returned in exchange for a refund?

    I'm obviously seeing things differently than the majority of people on this thread. I do not mean to pick on JB but I find it difficult to see things from his perspective and draw the same conclusions ....

    MHM that's how I feel. The only price paid by JB would be some time and a trip to the post office. TBH if all plant shipping worked like that where you could get a full refund and you just haveto ship the stuff back, I'd be much more willing to do it and the sellers would be at a greater risk because they end up with lost/neardead plants AND lost time. The buyer just loses time and gets his money back.

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    What part of the moniker, [REDACTED], doesn't sound sketchy -- sort of like dealing with the law firm of Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe -- or Doctor Payne (my actual dentist)?

    Sorry to hear of the problem . . .
    Last edited by xvart; 03-17-2012 at 08:12 AM.
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    LMFAO I was gonna say something about the name but I chose not to. I give people credit for dealing with Doomsday hahahaha

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    Ron I always respect your step back and look at the big picture approach. The issue is, only him and I saw the private emails. I don't trust him to give a refund. Seems like that type of person from his attitude from jump street. Only plant I was worried about was vent x ham. Others are bad yes but nothing I cannot restore to good health.

    Also Ron. If you notice pics of the plants I got were not posted. I started dealing before he edited his post.
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