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Nepenthes Hamata

  • #21
ElectrCarnvrs: unfortunately assumptions have to be made, just so that the adviser knows what needs to be covered and what doesnt. nobody likes giving advice that should have worked, but failed because of something that wasnt mentioned because it was assumed. setting up a growlist most definitely helps us gauge your skill level (what plants are you already familiar with) as well as a photo thread (how well you grow your plants--what tweaking needs to be done). everybody wants to help you succeed here, but we cant unless we have preliminary info to give you advice that is relevant. :)

my favorite quote: "please dont assume....because it makes an *** out of u and me.

but to make my post relevant:
i currently grow both hamatas, typical and red hairy, and can say that red-hairy is definitely the pickier of the two. high humidity of 75-80% will ensure the proper development of the pitchers. a combination of low humidity and higher temperatures (80-85F) will cause the leaves and pitchers to deform, and if not corrected will result in permanent deformation....how do i know this?
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oh the things i do for this community. :lol: i would also recommend growing this plant in bright but not direct lighting as the pitchers do not appreciate excessive light.

best of luck
 
  • #22
Why in the hell should he need to reveal ANYTHING about himself to obtain grow tips on a particular species.
His "growspace" is either up to par, or it isn't. That's his problem to work on..
We were all able to answer his questions meanigfully and intelligently regardless of "sufficient context".
Paul, You obviously just want to talk about greenhouses and growspaces... so.... YOUR problem here, is the same thing I pointed out to you on the pro boards. Get.. Over.. Yourself..
Just because you have a greenhouse doesn't make you better than everyone else. Please explain that to your ego for me.
...
I feel the same way every time I see you talking down to people. Like you're better than them because you own a greenhouse.
I also feel you now know you crossed a line by talking down to me.
Just because your grow space has changed, doesn't mean you as a person should too. I liked you better before..
For both of our sakes, quit talking down to people like they're beneath you. It's not nice.

And I repeat... Wow. Just wow. Lol
Though arguably a bit nit-picky (and who isn't guilty of that now and then?), I don't think Paul's comments were in the attitude of talking down to ElectrCarnvrs. Certainly not consciously, in any case. It seems like this personal matter between you and Paul should be just that: PERSONAL. Send him a PM or something because, with all due respect, no one wants to read hateful comments in the public forum. I think it crosses the line, and makes reading threads a less-than-enjoyable experience for everyone. And if you don't want people to publicly comment on your comments, then don't make them public ;)
 
  • #23
Now, back to the topic on hand: N. hamata is great ;) I've only been growing mine for about a year, but give it moderate to high humidity and good highland temps and it should do great.Younger plants need higher humidity, but they're suposed to be able to take lower humidity as they mature (I am told ?).

Here's my young beauty:
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/68248217@N04/8292458673/" title="011 by richjam1986, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8501/8292458673_82da15bee4.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="011"></a>
 
  • #25
@ ElectrCarnvrs - I think both Whimgrinder & Amphirion covered the issues regarding context. Given the incredibly wide range of experience levels & growing conditions on the forum (yes - we have 13 year old kids who have literally never grown a plant before as well as people from Malaysia & Maine asking similar questions), some background info is helpful for framing appropriate responses.
My asking to veiw others photos and gaining insight on their personal experiences in what a forum is for.
Completely agree.

I apologize since my original response seems to have been a catalyst for inappropriate (& off-topic) attacks at one of our very experienced & helpful members.

@ richjam1986: your post & guidance to Mass is well written, insightful & appropriate (you're also much faster than me - as your post wasn't even there when I started to write mine - LOL)

@ mass,
The sarcasm in your 1st reply, as well as the attacking nature of the next two posts is inappropriate (imho). I personally cannot see what Paul wrote that remotely caused these responses (ie: nothing he wrote is condescending). Otoh. your personal attacks are quite unambiguous.

I ordered an edwardsiana. Anyone have any useful tips?
Or assumptions regarding my experience skill level 5 when it really has nothing to do with anything that we're talking about here.. ?

hamata is cool..
Leave the poor kid alone.
Why in the hell should he need to reveal ANYTHING about himself to obtain grow tips on a particular species.
His "growspace" is either up to par, or it isn't. That's his problem to work on..
We were all able to answer his questions meanigfully and intelligently regardless of "sufficient context".
Paul, You obviously just want to talk about greenhouses and growspaces... so.... YOUR problem here, is the same thing I pointed out to you on the pro boards. Get.. Over.. Yourself..
Just because you have a greenhouse doesn't make you better than everyone else. Please explain that to your ego for me.

Elec, I'll pm you regarding the seed grown edwardsiana orders.. I'm done here.

I feel the same way every time I see you talking down to people. Like you're better than them because you own a greenhouse.
I also feel you now know you crossed a line by talking down to me.
Just because your grow space has changed, doesn't mean you as a person should too. I liked you better before..
For both of our sakes, quit talking down to people like they're beneath you. It's not nice.
 
  • #26
.... and now my turn to post something on-topic ...

@ ElectrCarnvrs: Here's an old thread that covers my experiences & observations with two small rootless AW hamata's. Enjoy your new arrival!
 
  • #27
I saw this topic yesterday and too thought ElectrCarnvrs was one of the people that likes to buy plants then ask how to grow them (it's not like we've never seen that before). Ron gave a suggestion and EC respectfully let him know he has the skill and a proper grow area. Done and done. Whimgrinder then explaining that he too can see why Ron felt that way and gave a suggestion to prevent this later.
I think there should be some thought put into a persons skill level/ability when it comes to some of the more demanding plants, especially when someone is trying to give some recommendations so they know how far in detail to go for example. It's nice that Mass and Exo were able to answer EC to the extent he was looking- It seems to me these guys know a bit about EC from other posts/other forums something to know he has the setup and know how.
I think Mass's post was definitely out of line on the polite meter and I honestly don't even know where it came from. I can't say I've seen Whimgrinder talk down to anyone in this post or otherwise on this forum... but I admit to not reading everything.

Also, tsk tsk to amphirion for his favorite quote, but I'm going to leave it since I believe I first saw it written a similar way in Jr. high :p

Lets just make sure to give enough information to get our questions answered (I've seen forums mandate certain information in question posts because people always leave out info that can help lead to a detailed answer), and definitely check your reply for politeness. If you reread it and feel it doesn't follow the "Be nice" rule of this forum but still think it is necessary, contact a mod or myself to review it.

P.S. I have nothing to add to how to grow N. hamata so I'll go sit in the corner now.
Thanks!
Andrew
 
  • #28
I'd like to add I cant wait until my hamatas have pitchers. Its like torture waiting on the first one. Soon...
 
  • #29
Thank you to everyone who posted their plants and experience with the species..

My intention was just to hear everyone's in put about hamata due to the fact I have never had this nepenthes before.
Of course I have done my own research online but again doesn't hurt to hear a more personable experience and advice.

Again I have a great highland set up which I have posted pics on another post.. I am not new to the forums or growing cps what so ever.. It has just been a long time for me to post anything due to being busy..

Again thank you to those of you who were kind enough to post your pics and advice I really appreciate it.

RL7836 thank you for that older post your hamata is amazing :)
 
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  • #30
Jon. You're a great guy. You're a skilled grower. MOST of your plants are spectacular. All that being said.........I really just want to put that ugly little frankenmutant of a plant out of it's misery.
 
  • #31
Jon, what did you do to that poor thing?
 
  • #32
Now, back to the topic on hand: N. hamata is great ;) I've only been growing mine for about a year, but give it moderate to high humidity and good highland temps and it should do great.Younger plants need higher humidity, but they're suposed to be able to take lower humidity as they mature (I am told ?).

Here's my young beauty:
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/68248217@N04/8292458673/" title="011 by richjam1986, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8501/8292458673_82da15bee4.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="011"></a>

From the handwriting on the plant label, it looks like you got yours from the same place I got mine and around the same time. :)

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Here's one I just took of a new pitcher:
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N. hamata is easy to grow provided basic highland conditions.
 
  • #33
Don it looks like your using the chest freezer method... Do you have pics of the whole chamber looks awesome!

Love the hamatas
 
  • #35
Don it looks like your using the chest freezer method... Do you have pics of the whole chamber looks awesome!

Love the hamatas

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I love the setup because I can control all parameters (light intensity, photoperiod, humidity, temperature, and CO2).

Downside: expensive initial setup and I'm running out of space!
 
  • #36
I think Mass's post was definitely out of line on the polite meter and I honestly don't even know where it came from. I can't say I've seen Whimgrinder talk down to anyone in this post or otherwise on this forum... but I admit to not reading everything.

Thanks!
Andrew

I apologize Andrew.
I fully agree my posts were out of emotion, out of line, and out of nowhere. As richjam nailed out, it was a personal issue I let affect my responses here. And for that I apologize.
I blame cabin fever, a lack of community interaction, and an unfinished dispute between the obvious.
Once again, I'm sorry for the shenanigans I've created here.

viva la hamata!
 
  • #37
I blame cabin fever....
I've got a bad case of that too - can't wait until spring (although the basement HL'ers are very happy with the weather).
 
  • #38
From the handwriting on the plant label, it looks like you got yours from the same place I got mine

I bought one from the same place the other day. Its super tiny right now, but I'm glad to see other growers having success :) I'll share pics when its at a respectable size
 
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