True Bugs really Suck
Ya know, I find it hilarious that many people would turn their nose up at seeds from ebay based on ethical dillemas such as poaching, yet, wouldn't think twice about buying a seedgrown plant that came from such seeds. I see this happen every time, someone mentions getting some obviously wild collected seeds, and everyone mounts up on their high horses and chastises em. Yet, many have no problem with buying seedgrown Neps that obviously came from smuggled seeds...not sure how that makes em feel any better, but it seems to. Just wanna point out about throwing stones in glass houses, it's getting old.
The point about it being illegal to get them to the US in the mail is true though, so if you insist on getting em from Ebay, be aware of it. Seeds are typically just destroyed, but if the gooberment is feeling particularly nasty, they can fine you through the nose if they so choose.
Some days it just isn't worth chewing thru the restraints.
My growlist: http://www.terraforums.com/forums/sh...255#post961255
Video of my birth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xc5wIpUenQ
What Exo said!
And you can run afoul of three regulating agencies - Department of Homeland Security (Customs - smuggling), Department of Agriculture (Plant Protection Quarantine) and Fish and Wildlife Services (CITES-ESA violations). Any one or all could seek penalties (fines and or imprisonment).
Grand Hotel... always the same. People come, people go. Nothing ever happens.
I definitely agree with Exo about throwing stones, but I would like to point out something I feel pertinent to this discussion.
- I think it is definitely the responsibility of the buyer to make sure they are buying legal plants/seeds. In this ebay case, it is EASY to see that not only is it illegal to import them without permits but there is a very likely chance they were illegally collected as well.
- With seedgrown plants, it can be entirely hazy whether or not their original source was legal. While blind ignorance isn't an excuse, honest ignorance of not knowing one way or the other isn't necessarily a reason to not buy a plant when you have no way of uncovering the truth.
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Ironically, I just bought (as in one hour ago) two seed pods from ebay to try them out and see what happens. Of course buyer claims they are recent and are of one particular species.
Interesting points have been made here that I did not even consider.
Fortunately it was only $6 and can't undo it now. Guess I'll try my luck.
I suppose I'll keep an eye out on the forums for anyone who is giving away/selling seeds in the future if these truly are defunct!
Thanks for the info!
IT TAKES A LOT OF PATIENCE!!!!
I am just finishing up my seed propagating that was started in late October and the N. rafflesiana, N. maxima and to a lesser extent N. ampullaria were the only ones that germinated profusely. The others were sporadic or not at all and green and black algae were a never ending pain in the *** starting about six weeks in. I won't be doing it again and with all of the plant varieties available at reasonable prices it's just easier to get those. Don't get me wrong it was an interesting experience and with around 400 seedlings to care for it's not over yet. After trying several plant mediums I am finally settling on milled NZ sphagnum milled by me by working it between my hands through 1/4" hardware cloth. It seems to be less likely to become an algae cesspool than anything else I have tried. In the beginning I used coire to plant on and it is crap as far as I'm concerned, After two months I had to finally move the seedlings to new medium or lose them to a number of snotty masses.