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    It is completely unclear to me whether you plan to engineer the tank for highland or lowland climate types.....

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    If I wanted to tailor it to a highland terrarium, what would you suggest I do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Acurite View Post
    If I wanted to tailor it to a highland terrarium, what would you suggest I do?
    Well, essentially you need to engineer it to observe the temperature limitations of that section of the genus. IE: day temps do not exceed 85F, and night temps MUST drop to at least 60F, preferably lower, occasionally down to 50F. That is the single most important feature that defines highland climate conditions. Relatively high humidity and bright light are also important (but applies to most lowland species as well), and ideally you should provide for some air movement in the tank as well.

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    Would putting a few holes in the lid, while leaving it next to an open window while it's at about 40 degrees during the night provide low enough night temps and enough air movement? I don't think installing a fan is my speed... would occasional misting do the trick?
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    Having the tank next to a window if the temps drop that much could work I think. I keep a few small terrariums on my windowsill and they drop to about the outside temperature. And Paul is right. You NEED airflow. It sounds to me like your last truncata probably died from rot. Usually hard water will not kill nepenthes, but it WILL break down the media that it's in, and that will create bacteria loving conditions and your roots will rot, causing the whole plant to turn brown like you said before. I have a setup very similar to the one your describing and if I didn't have a fan blowing on my plants, they would surely rot in a short period of time. Especially if they're wet. And the water at the bottom of the tank that Drew is talking about, is good to keep the humidity, but you DON'T want your nepenthes to be sitting in it all the time. I think the few basic things you need to remember is that:
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    * love moisture, although they hate to have waterlogged media. It will kill them faster than anything else in my experience. The sundews need to be kept sitting in water, but nepenthes will almost always rot that way (I say almost because there are people who grow them using the "tray method").
    * highlanders NEED the drop in temps to grow well
    * even ONE nepenthes will outgrow a 10 gallon in a few months. I started with a 20gal 9 months ago and I now have (literally) a porch full, two indoor terrariums (one 20 gal and one 40gal) and another indoor grow shelf that is bursting with plants. Even if you trim them back, they will very soon outgrow your setup and then you will have spent all of this money for nothing. With your budget I think the best thing to do would be to build a grow shelf like MATO has. You can check out his thread under the "greenhouse and terrarium" section on this forum. It's pretty much a grow rack that's been inclosed by reflective coated insulation (I got a huge 10ft by 4.5ft piece of it for $6!). There are T5 lights (if I remember correctly) on the top and an ultrasonic humidifier that blown into the area with a small computer fan to push the mist around and keep the air moving (essential!!!). If you can't do that, then at LEAST get a 55 gallon aquarium. If you truly only have room for a 10gal then you really don't have room to grow nepenthes. Although depending on where you live you can grow them outdoors or on a windowsill very happily. I hope you're able to put together something nice!
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    If you really want to cool it, you may want to do something like this: http://www.terraforums.com/forums/sh...orative+cooler

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    Depending on how my room turns out after I reorganize it, I may be able to bump up the size to 30gal, but I'm not growing more then a few plants, and definitely not keeping a full grown truncata or anything like that in it. Good thing I started a thread instead of just going ahead with the terrarium...

    Edit: Just talked about it with my dad. He said that a 40gal or above might require reinforcing the floor and other such shananigans, so I'm capping at maybe 35gal

    Edit (again): Turns out, my dad was joking about reinforcing the floor. This, combined with the fact that cleaning a terrarium doesn't really require moving it, means that I could go up to a 55gal terrarium. One question though; how do you get into it? Do you subdivide the lid, or what?
    Last edited by Mr Acurite; 09-28-2013 at 05:07 PM.
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    Can you tell me your house temps and climate zone (there are lots of maps, this doesn't require specific location)? If you want to grow a ventrata hybrid and you think the window will be cool enough, why not just grow it there? My ventrata loves my window.

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