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    I get the feeling that the hamata goes through a rest period and if watering isn't cut back the roots rot off. As it turns out my remaining hamata in the picture above has developed two growth points and is working on a third which explains the multiple new leaves. One of my sons nasty female friends stayed over and walked off with my magnifier visor so it wasn't until the new one arrived that I was able to view a closeup and see what is going on with the hamata. I guess I need new glasses too if I couldn't see that without the visor.

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    It would be nice if there were a definitive guide to successfully raising hamata's

    I have asked other growers that appear to be growing them, but I either get no response, or, research it yourself, or "ask me after you have been growing these plants for 20 years
    When all else fails, read the instructions!

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    That wasn't friendly was it? I think as with any hobby there is a small core group that see anyone new to the hobby as fly-by-nighters to be ignored and then there are elitists who like the idea of having what few have so offer little in the way of help. They should remember that everyone begins as a newbie and give newbie newbie's the benefit of their knowledge. I found people here to be pretty forthcoming so far so nothing I said is directed at any of my post responders. If I had the cash I would build a stock of hamata's and do some real research or better yet visit their South Pacific habitat for a month or so and take readings and get information from the locals about the weather there. I am still leaning towards a rest period or maybe a looser than normal medium that drains moisture away much quicker than normal. I have over the last month or so ordered in a dozen high altitude Nep's because the seller and his plants are top notch and because I have become a bit more proficient than before. The same ones from Eastern Europe have all since died but the ones from the new guy not only seem to thrive but show new growth within a couple of days after arrival. The ones that died were leggy with almost non-existent roots and stems that seemed too woody to produce new roots. I even cut them off below the foliage when nothing else worked and re-planted but couldn't get new roots that way either. I currently do RC Tanks, and restore old Honda bikes so when things get dicey in the green room I tend to migrate to one of the other goodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MurphysLaw View Post
    It would be nice if there were a definitive guide to successfully raising hamata's

    I have asked other growers that appear to be growing them, but I either get no response, or, research it yourself, or "ask me after you have been growing these plants for 20 years
    I guess I've been lucky. Most growers I know are happy to share their experiences and growing techniques.

    Regarding Nepenthes hamata, it grows well in my conditions. Specifically, a small outdoor greenhouse in coastal CA. Temps vary with the season -- 50 to60F at night and 70 to 80 during the day.
    RH around 60 to 70% during the day, up to 90+ at night. Outside vents plus fans for good air movement. Substrate is pure live sphagnum or bark based mix with topdressing of live moss. Plants watered nearly every sunny day.

    Hope this helps a little...

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    Please don't mis-understand, I wasn't trying to be rude or nasty, but I was just telling the truth. It's like this in a lot of group hobbies like this, which seems to bring this out in some people. I don't consider myself a newbie, but it doesn't help inspire new-comers who are truly interested in learning how to enter into the realm of exotic horticulture. Mentors nurtures and inspire. What is the truth that some people believe that if it took them years of trial and error to figure it out, then others don't need a helping hand, let them fail a few hundred times at a great cost. I just can help to think of the many plants that have died due to the lack of valuable information available. It might be just as simple to say, not everyone’s growing conditions are identical, and due to the finicky nature of the plant, you either find one that lives and thrives, or end up with a dead one inside of six months. The plants I bought were from other growers, and the plants look like they were in great condition when I bought them, but it seems that the info on the plants growing conditions while in their care was not given to me, other than the straight cut-n-paste on how to grow highland Nepenthes. An example,… what was the media the plant was in before you yanked it out of the pot and wrapped it in LFS for shipping …. The answer ….. OH No response! I would have at least like to try to repot the poor plant in the same media it was growing in to reduce the transplant shock… So with that being said. I will get off my soapbox. And leave this last comment. How many of these RARE, SLOW GROWING, EXPENSIVE plants do we have to kill before get we can get it right… You will know when you can get one to grow.

    BTW, Thank you KPG, at least that is good info. and a warning to those of us wanting to grow these plants, and cannot provide them with these conditions.
    When all else fails, read the instructions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MurphysLaw View Post
    Please don't mis-understand, I wasn't trying to be rude or nasty, but I was just telling the truth. It's like this in a lot of group hobbies like this, which seems to bring this out in some people. I don't consider myself a newbie, but it doesn't help inspire new-comers who are truly interested in learning how to enter into the realm of exotic horticulture. Mentors nurtures and inspire. What is the truth that some people believe that if it took them years of trial and error to figure it out, then others don't need a helping hand, let them fail a few hundred times at a great cost.
    Interesting ... my experiences with growing CPs has been virtually the opposite of this. I've found most experienced growers to be very sharing with their experiences (& frequently with their plants).

    Quote Originally Posted by MurphysLaw View Post
    I just can help to think of the many plants that have died due to the lack of valuable information available. It might be just as simple to say, not everyone’s growing conditions are identical, and due to the finicky nature of the plant, you either find one that lives and thrives, or end up with a dead one inside of six months. The plants I bought were from other growers, and the plants look like they were in great condition when I bought them, but it seems that the info on the plants growing conditions while in their care was not given to me, other than the straight cut-n-paste on how to grow highland Nepenthes.
    The "straight cut-n-paste on how to grow highland Nepenthes" is probably a good place to start. Many new growers look for the secret tip or special growth secret or hidden media ingredient & overlook the basics. Since we're in a thread about a dead hamata, what killed this plant? Yup - the lack of the basics. Rather than prepare for the hot temps that were coming before the plant was purchased, the op tried to prepare after, got caught with hi temps, plant died. This was a basic for a highland plant - reasonably cool temps. This is not easy to do so many noobs want a secret ingredient that will allow them to avoid the basics.

    Quote Originally Posted by MurphysLaw View Post
    An example,… what was the media the plant was in before you yanked it out of the pot and wrapped it in LFS for shipping …. The answer ….. OH No response! I would have at least like to try to repot the poor plant in the same media it was growing in to reduce the transplant shock…
    While it was probably rude of the grower to not respond, the specific makeup of his growing media was not likely a critical component for the plant living or dying.

    Quote Originally Posted by MurphysLaw View Post
    So with that being said. I will get off my soapbox. And leave this last comment. How many of these RARE, SLOW GROWING, EXPENSIVE plants do we have to kill before get we can get it right…
    The number of extremely helpful growers & the wealth of information on this site (& others) that is available with a simple search - should keep anyone from killing these "RARE, SLOW GROWING, EXPENSIVE plants" - imho. Maybe I got lucky with the two rootless Wistuba hamatas that I grew - but I know that I didn't hide anything when I shared my experiences ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RL7836 View Post
    Interesting ... my experiences with growing CPs has been virtually the opposite of this. I've found most experienced growers to be very sharing with their experiences (& frequently with their plants).

    The "straight cut-n-paste on how to grow highland Nepenthes" is probably a good place to start. Many new growers look for the secret tip or special growth secret or hidden media ingredient & overlook the basics. Since we're in a thread about a dead hamata, what killed this plant? Yup - the lack of the basics. Rather than prepare for the hot temps that were coming before the plant was purchased, the op tried to prepare after, got caught with hi temps, plant died. This was a basic for a highland plant - reasonably cool temps. This is not easy to do so many noobs want a secret ingredient that will allow them to avoid the basics.

    While it was probably rude of the grower to not respond, the specific makeup of his growing media was not likely a critical component for the plant living or dying.

    The number of extremely helpful growers & the wealth of information on this site (& others) that is available with a simple search - should keep anyone from killing these "RARE, SLOW GROWING, EXPENSIVE plants" - imho. Maybe I got lucky with the two rootless Wistuba hamatas that I grew - but I know that I didn't hide anything when I shared my experiences ...
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    Well said, Ron. I concur.

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    I live at 7000ft elevation and in the high desert, and thou I can provide daytime temps of 70 to 80 and during the summer there are unfortunately days that the temps get into the 90’s. I’m only able to support my plants in large tents where I can maintain the proper RH of 60 to 90%. I use circulation fans to keep the air moving. The media, for my plants is a mix of bark, perlite, and LFS. The problem was getting the temps down at night. Indoors, they hover around 55 in winter and mid 60’s to low 70’s during the summer with a little mechanical help.

    I know that I killed mine due to not being able to get that night time temp down. If I were able to keep them in a secure outdoor enclosure, I might have better luck since during the summer, the evening temps get to the mid 50’s.

    It was just out of disgust that I appeared to lash out. I know that I’m not the only one out there that has had specific growing issues, and I have found out that for the most part, it specific to the plant. It was a conceit of mine that I thought I would have NO problem growing them since I have had no issues with other Ultra Highlanders, thou I have stayed away from rajah and macrophiylla. It was just a head scratcher for me.

    Ron, I have found (just my observation, and possibly wrong ), that others like yourself that live in the cooler, coastal, or near the great lakes have had great success with hamata’s, when they have been keeping them outdoors or even on their windowsills, since the humidity is higher and the nights are much cooler. Thank you for your input.

    I haven’t given up all hope on getting another, but I know I will need to find a larger plant if at all possible to see if it will be sturdier to my growing conditions.

    Spooky, I apologize; it was my intent to hijack your thread. I know we will keep slugging away until we are successful!
    Last edited by MurphysLaw; 01-16-2014 at 10:09 AM.
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