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    I considered that before I reported him. Since all of the pictures in the listings are of plants that are in the wild I think its safe to assume they're from wild plants. Either way, I contacted him inquiring about the source of his seeds and this is the reply I got:
    hi

    they're from wild habitat
    responsibly harvested from wild

    thank you

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    they're from wild habitat
    responsibly harvested from wild
    That's rich ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    I considered that before I reported him. Since all of the pictures in the listings are of plants that are in the wild I think its safe to assume they're from wild plants. Either way, I contacted him inquiring about the source of his seeds and this is the reply I got:
    hi

    they're from wild habitat
    responsibly harvested from wild

    thank you

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    Wow, basically admitting that they are doing some poaching.
    Come to me flies and crawling bugs. This plant wants to give you great big hugs
    Aren't I pretty, don't I smell good? I'd come to you if I could
    But I can't so you must come to me, I'm sure we will get along splendidly

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    Not just 'some' poaching. When you look at how many species of pods they have, and add in that there are dozens of pods for each listing, it's a massive amount of pods poached. Some species DO make dozens or even hundreds of pods per spike, but that doesn't make it OK. The species that only make a few pods per spike, such as aristo, make so little seed they can barely sustain the population as is. The wild populations simply cannot support this kind of harvesting.

    That being said, I see nothing wrong with TRULY sustainable harvesting of only one or two pods at a time, but never plants. Just my $0.02.

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    If we all petitioned eBay do you think we could get this person banned from selling seeds on there?
    Come to me flies and crawling bugs. This plant wants to give you great big hugs
    Aren't I pretty, don't I smell good? I'd come to you if I could
    But I can't so you must come to me, I'm sure we will get along splendidly

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoSarah View Post
    If we all petitioned eBay do you think we could get this person banned from selling seeds on there?
    It is not in eBay's best interests to pursue such things. But good luck.

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    This interminable hand-wringing is wholly hypocritical and self serving; and springs up on Terraforums with the periodicity and enjoyment of an incipient cold sore.

    It is one thing to uproot a plant in its entirety and quite another to take an occasional seed pod. If you don't like a product, simply don't purchase it. Easy-peasy. When the f*ck did we become a country of mealy mouth petty informants, ratting out some piss-poor guy in SE Asia, trying to make a few bucks?

    Over the years, I have given away or sold more tissue cultured plants, based upon a couple dozen air-mailed seeds, collected from the wild, personally or otherwise, than I can readily count -- statistically, far more plants, in orders of magnitude, than would have survived, had those same seeds simply dropped to the ground.

    One site in Luzon, where I obtained seed some years ago, is now a massive golf resort and condo complex, catering to the Hong Kong Chinese; and those forests and plants no longer exist at all.

    This plant growing community and allied sites have demanded more and more exotic species in recent years (some of whom PM me on a regular basis, looking for plants, and have, whiningly, contributed to this very thread; you know who you are); and those seed sellers, overseas, are there to supply that demand. Were it not for that pre-existing market, the sellers would simply go back to selling poorly-silk-screened t-shirts with gibberish English phrases that I have seen throughout SE Asia for decades.

    If you believe, for a millisecond, that any of those exotic nurseries overseas -- many of whom here, sing their continual praises on this forum, and owe the bulk of their collections to them -- exclusively collect their plant materials in some "morally acceptable" above-board manner, I have an attractive 1937 suspension bridge for sale, painted in a striking International Orange, within a few miles of me, available at a most reasonable price . . .
    Last edited by BigBella; 07-02-2014 at 01:41 PM.
    “Sì perché l'autorità dell'opinione di mille nelle scienze non val per una scintilla di ragione di un solo . . ."

    -- Galileo "Biff" Galilei

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