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    I just looked, couldn't find anything yet.
    Maybe tomorrow. The guy took tons of pictures.
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    I wish i had a ride to go and could of afforded to skip out on work but it wouldn't be fun going their broke id prob have cried if i didn't take something home lol! Maybe next year.. i wanted to try and do something for kids and maybe give out free capensis to kids who'd like to take a 20min learning and exploration talk about caring for Carnivorous plants..but i didn't kno if i would of had to sign up to be able to do that soo i didn't have a good reason to drop everything and take a train/bus their...to bad looks like i really missed out

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    Without a control, this is speculative at best. Sure - coffee has nutritional components, but unless you have a control to measure the results against, there is nothing conclusive nor definitive to be had from this. Yes - its a great looking plant. But it might have ended up where it is today just as fast without coffee treatment, or even faster with a balanced fertilizer.

    This discussion reminds me of the rabidly enthusiastic folks who swear that "Caffenol" (a home-made, coffee-based substitute for commercially formulated film developers) is superior to anything Kodak or Ilford (or any one of a dozen others) has engineered specifically for use with B&W film emulsions. In fact, the only thing "superior" about Caffenol is the fact that it has marginally less impact on the environment, but by no means does it produce a "superior" result as a film developer. People are inclined to arrive at certain, often preconceived, conclusions just because they want to believe the've found The Magic Wand for their situation. Believing something doesn't make it fact.

    No offense intended, and this is not intended to be in any way dismissive of David's obvious skill as a grower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whimgrinder View Post
    Without a control, this is speculative at best. Sure - coffee has nutritional components, but unless you have a control to measure the results against, there is nothing conclusive nor definitive to be had from this.
    As I had mentioned a bit earlier in this thread, I am hoping to have a significant number of plants of a single clonal line -- some to pose as the experimental group and others to serve as the control, within a few months. I had an earlier opportunity in 2013 with a large batch of seed grown plants; but their inherent variability didn't prove to be suitable for an experiment . . .
    “Sì perché l'autorità dell'opinione di mille nelle scienze non val per una scintilla di ragione di un solo . . ."

    -- Galileo "Biff" Galilei

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    have you ever fed coffee to just the pitchers and not the roots/substrate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip_Side_the_Pint View Post
    have you ever fed coffee to just the pitchers and not the roots/substrate?
    I generally don't add anything to the pitchers, since they seem to be all too capable of catching insects on their own; and only fertilize through the compost. I know many growers who feed the pitchers to sometimes great effect; but I am not among them and had poor results, when that was done in the past . . .
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    In the last six to eight weeks weeks or so, I had been ramping up the coffee use, from bimonthly to every ten days, to see whether there was any noticeable effect; or whether I was simply smoking dope. In all of the plants of various ages so treated, each experienced almost a doubling of size with its latest leaves. In the fourth photo, both of those plants are of the same age and germinated within a day of one another -- an all too clear illustration of the variability of seed . . .

    Nepenthes macrophylla seedling 11 September


    Nepenthes edwardsiana (Tambuyukon)


    Marai Parai




    Tambuyukon


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    bigbella, this is said with the friendliest of intentions... I hate you
    I havent been following this at all, but those are beautiful plants - and that has nothing to do with their names

    look how thick the pitcher tendril is on the last eddie leaves. those will be much bigger pitchers too

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