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    Quote Originally Posted by Sashoke View Post
    I never understood why some peoplke are so vigilant in only collecting species. You do realize those supposedly "pure bloods" are very likely just other hybrids from plants that are now extinct? They didnt get to where they are today by selectively breeding in nature, thats not how it works :P
    While its true that the concept of "species" is a mutable and fluid thing (in all genera, not just Nepenthes), what growers typically value is: a species as a snapshot of their state at this moment in their evolution, and its a snapshot that remains viable and meaningful for the life of the grower. So although individual plants or colonies are far from static in nature, and viewing them through the lens of Big Time blurs the definition of "species", their fluid nature isn't important in context of the grower and the limited window of time in which he may enjoy cultivating the plants.

    I myself am far from a "species snob" - a beautiful plant that performs impressively is something I appreciate, whether man-made or naturally-occurring - but I do imbue the Nepenthes species I grow with greater value, as they inherently represent something From The Natural World, not something manipulated by the imagination of man.

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    I too have an outright love of species, however also rich hybrids.
    The purebreads are my favorite because they are overall the most consistent with
    their traits, be it teeth, color, or whatever. I have yet to find a species I dont like!

    Not that there is anything wrong with hybrids, but it just seems that MOST
    hybrids are extremely lackluster compared to that of the set species. Im Not saying
    hybrids are inferior, however when the gene pools get mixed it tends to drown out or blot
    what makes each species so spectacular. (Hamata hybrids for example) But this also leaves
    room for even MORE spectacular crosses than the species themselves. I enjoy searching for
    unique hybrids that many have never seen however it seems that most hybrids are either sub par,
    or beyond exceptional.
    Last edited by NemJones; 10-10-2015 at 12:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whimgrinder View Post
    They inherently represent something From The Natural World, not something manipulated by the imagination of man.

    Ive never seen it that way before, I think thats a lot more understandable.
    ~Burgeoning connoisseur of all things ventricosa or otherwise tubby.~

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    Personally I value my plants for specific traits, and while that does mean I have a preference towards species there are some hybrids that surpass any of the species in my collection in some areas. For example, my N. trusmadiensis x burbidgeae is the most colourful plant in my entire collection.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whimgrinder View Post
    I myself am far from a "species snob" - a beautiful plant that performs impressively is something I appreciate, whether man-made or naturally-occurring - but I do imbue the Nepenthes species I grow with greater value, as they inherently represent something From The Natural World, not something manipulated by the imagination of man.
    Not meaning to start an argument, but what's your opinion on naturally occurring hybrids, given the lack of human intervention in their creation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stranger View Post

    Not meaning to start an argument, but what's your opinion on naturally occurring hybrids, given the lack of human intervention in their creation?
    Myself, I value my naturally occurring hybrids as if they were species: no human hand created them. If they were born out of a natural process, they rank alongside species IMO.

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    I think alot of us 'species snobs' just find each plant beautiful species or hybrid..BUT, theirs always something uniquely drawing to a species plant. Though their are many beautiful crosses that we gladly accept into our collections i think we feel species plants are more special to us because they remind us of something we may never really see in nature that was created their, unlike many man made hybrids. Natural hybrids are just as cherished to some as species are to others if not sometimes more!. I find the more crazy yet unseen cross that's made the more interest their is in growing/getting it. I myself have certain draws based on the looks of the plants leaves and pitchers and just so happens that many of those are species plants... but like i said i find crosses involving these traits combined with other plants that have similar traits i like are just as welcome in my collection as species plants and crazy not so common crosses.

    Still have intrest in what the hamata x tenuis (i think that Was whose it was) whim sowed and gave away will look like!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whimgrinder View Post
    I value my naturally occurring hybrids as if they were species; If they were born out of a natural process, they rank alongside species IMO.
    I completely agree with this. If it was bred and born in the jungle, all done by nature itself.. why wouldnt it be its own?. Thats just too cool.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whimgrinder View Post
    no human hand created them.
    This makes them a million times more cool.

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