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Thread: Some wishes for the new year.

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    Hi,

    I'm already thinking of posting a thread like this one for some months by now and finally I decided to post it. If you do feel offended by my post - Yes, it is nothing I like to do, but sadly you are propably right in this feeling.

    After reading nearly every post in the Nepenthes forum of PFT for about one year now, I lately did realize, that my behaviour has changed in the last months: I have built a list of members in my head, whose posts I do not read any more or do only read very occassionally.

    As I know from my experience, this is my first step in leaving a forum like this one. A place which I do like very much, because it is ideal for sharing and getting useful informations in a very short amount of time. It is not my style to leave without trying to do something against things I do dislike, so here goes a list of wishes I do have for the future:

    - Only do answer questions where you really do know the answer. If you are not absolutely sure - be silent or mark your answer as a guess!

    - Do only post facts from your personal experience! I.e. giving tips on plants you never did grow is just plain silly.

    - Supplying informations you got from a book or another source is OK, but you do do have to cite the source where you got this information from! There is a horrible amount of wrong information around and by repeating, these wrong informations won't get true.

    - Don't exaggerate. Others reading your posts will realize this sooner or later and won't trust you any more.

    - Do read a thread thoroughly before posting an answer!

    - If you don't have to add something useful to a thread please don't post!

    - If you made an error and you do realize it, be nice and do correct it. We all do make errors from time to time, so this is good style.

    - Please do write scientific names right!


    I know it is a nice feeling to act like an expert and give tips on difficult questions - but getting an expert for these plants does take many years and lots of good and even more important bad experiences from which you do have to learn. So don't be frustrated, when you're only able to help out on very few questions here in the forum. After four years of growing these plants and reading every information I could get, I'm still only a beginner like most of you.

    As you might know I am from Germany and over here we do have a very clear opinion on people not acting according to the points given above. It might be your american style - I don't know - but from my German point of view I'm really annoyed be some of the postings I did read here over the last year.

    In hope of a better future...

    Joachim

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    Joachim
    I agree with every word ypu put on your wishes
    as I had act the same way for the last few months
    hope your wishes and as I say they are main too come true
    this new year.
    Arie
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    http://www.thecarnivorousplants.com

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    I heartily agree with Joachim, and admire him for his
    courage in saying something that I, and possibly several other
    members, have been thinking.

    Like him, I do not wish to be critical of anyone. I sincerely
    appreciate this forum, and am grateful for the participation
    of others. Moreoever, as in any community, there are those
    of greater and of lesser experience. However, it is indeed tiresome to
    frequently read posts of no substance, which contribute
    nothing to the case under discussion, or to encounter those who
    ceaselessly parrot information gleaned merely from reading,
    rather than from experience.

    While it is not my intent to discourage anyone from posting a
    question, or from sharing his thoughts, I, too, hope that
    henceforth members will exercise a bit more thought before
    posting. For example, if one's question is basic, undertake
    a search to find the answer before asking it. And, perhaps
    most importantly, please communicate as clearly as possible.
    Remember: the only representation one has in this medium is
    what one writes, and therefore, spelling and grammer are
    important!

    Finally, losing people like Joachim will only diminish this
    environment for everyone. I, for one, have always enjoyed
    his contributions, and hope that he will not leave!

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    apple rings.. what more can i say? FlytrapGurl's Avatar
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    I totally agree and everyone, including me, will miss you very much.
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    i would like to state that i will hate to see you leave. knowing there is the german forum that u are in and helped me with the regerstration there but, reading it is very hard for me since i don't know german what so ever except for when i translate it from the computer.

    it is always a pleasure to see you, neps, arie, tony, rob, andreas, and a few others post in the forum. for that is where i go to gain knowledge from your years of experance growing the plants and you all are highly respected in my point of view.

    yes, most of the post are from lack of research from the web or not have the books in hand to look threw for knowledge to grow the plants. also some of the books i have don't give all the requirments that the plants need then i just go to some web pages to check out the requirements they need to grow.

    hoping you don't leave cause you will be missed and wish to see you all post alot more
    George McKay

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    Joachim,
    To see you leave here would/will be a great loss. Losing a great nepenthes grower from this forum will make it that much less active. So leave if you must, but stay if you can. Go with what you think is right and what you have made up in your own mind. And to think you just joined a few days or weeks ago and already you have picked up on your decisions. We'll all miss you if you decide to depart.

    Regards, Dustin.

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    Hi Joachim

    I agree with your comments and I think your post was well put, especially considering English is not your native language. I speak two languages besides English however I don't think I write either of them as fluently as you write English.

    I think that the German way of looking at things is quite different to my own, you guys are much more precise and technical (in general) and I always enjoy reading the different style/ point of view. It would be sad to see the forum lose some of it's diversity which is what will happen if you decide to leave.

    Cheers, Troy.

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    I agree with Fatboy. I can write in 6 languages, and I greatly admire the German people. But at the same time, I believe older people have a responsiblity to younger people, and the best way is not to ignore them.

    Frankly, I think that your attitude is somewhat snobish, but I respect your opinion, and I thank you for what you have taught me.

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