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Thread: Any large or mature hamata owners?

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    I purchased a N. hamata back in June (or July) and it's put up 5 leaves since I recieved it one pitcher was aborted (the one opening when I got it) and the others have not opened but the buds are furry (not burnt) and inflating bit by bit every day. What I'm impressed by is that the plant has doubled in size since I got it (I thought it would grow in smaller increments).
    Do any of you have large hamatas? How large do the leaves get? I heard the pitchers will get to about 12". I'm just wondering what this guy will look like in a few years, cos they aren't easy to fidn images of online and they aren't in any of the nep books I have. Just the one pic in savage garden... If ya got photos please post em! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]
    Mine is reaching 6" across (not including tendrils) and I'm just curious if they continue increaing rapidly in size or do they have seasonal variations in growth? Do warmer days slow their growth? And of course-how long before I'm getting 12" pitchers? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

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    You like a photo so here is one (not main I took it in England few weeks ago).

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    Hey Josh, my Hamata is the same size as yours with the new leaves it has put out. Hamata as lots of people say appears to have a voracious appetite. So feed it lots! 1 ft pitchers? Hmm....it will be awhile! I expect the upper pitcher will be larger than the lowers. My pitchers are about 4 inches tall at the moment. But anyhow that'd my info about it. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]

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    Thanks for the shot Arie!

    Yes, NG the one remaining pitcher from when I recieved it is still strong after eating one 1" japanese beetle, and several houseflies. and countless fruitflies over the summer. The humidity was all screwed up in my first DIY enclosure (I made it with wooden walls - Duh-wood soaks up water...! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]
    Now the tank is a cloud forest and the pitchers are forming. Have any pitchers formed and opened from new leaves since you bought yours? What have you got yours planted in?
    I have mine in a 10" pot of pure US LFS meaning it has lots of twigs, reeds and roots in it a very coarse fast draining mix (not particularily attractive but functional). I have put living sphagnum ontop to give it a nicer appearance, I see now taht some liverworts have colonized the soil after I eradicated the oxalis.

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    Hi Josh, I have had 1 pitcher aborted and 1 has formed now but is only an inch tall as it probably has been affected by my cooler night temps. (40-38F) No big deal though Hamata is very vigorous and should not be a problem with growth rate! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] Mine is planted in the orginal mix it came in which is Coco chunks,perlite,and a touch of LFS I think* Anyhow I had to repot mine as the roots were coming out the bottom and now just put all the old mix in with the roots and have it surrounded in pure living sphagnum. Looks very good and my mix is also very fast draining with the original mix in place it REALLY helps air it out! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]

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    What are you doing to achieve temps that low? Is it on purpose that the temps are getting that low or are you just leaving a window open and it naturally falls that far?

    How big was the pot it had to be moved from?
    Also, how long was the recovery rate after you repotted yours? Did you bare root it or just move the plant with the soil?
    I ask because I bought some 8 or 10" square plastic net pots and I'd like to transffer the hamata into one of these. I won't be bare rooting it just moving the soil mass from one pot to another, but since it's starting to inflate the pitcher buds of three leaves I don't wanna interrupt anything!

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    Hi
    My hamata seems to be growing quite fast as well. One odd thing with new growth the leaf opens at the base and works it way up! On all my other Neps the leave unfurls at the top first.

    cheers

    bill

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    Define warm days in slowing growth...

    As far as plant metabolism is concerned it will increase as temperatures increase until a point is reached that the warmth is too great and negative effects outweigh the positive. What is this level for hamata.. ?? got me.. It probably varies from grower to grower as well. Things like light levels, humidity, air movement, feeding etc can affect a plants tolerance/acceptance to other growth factors such as temperature. Personally I like to have my plants in the 80-85 range during the day for strong growth. My plants are in fairly high light, get lots of air movement with good humidity and are well fed. You will often here Rob talk about pitcher ratio. Basically how large are the pitchers compared to the leaf size. I think this is a good way to compare since there are so many factors which affect leaf size and pitcher size. I could grow large hamatas quickly by putting them in dense shade but the leaves would be soft and fleshy and the pitchers (if they formed at all) would be tiny most likely. Not to mention the plants would damage easy and be highly prone to rot. A good rule of thumb is to shoot for a 1:1 ratio. Pitcher the same size as the leaf it formed on. Naturally this is not possible on every species as some just don't make big pitchers no matter what. However I do use pitcher size as a better guide to plant health than leaf size! In my experience a plant that has steadily increasing pitcher size is getting stronger and larger. Even if the leaves are not. In some extreame cases I have had plants actually get smaller for a period of time while at the same time show increasing pitcher size. Eventually the plants began increasing in size and by the time they were as large as they had been originally the pitchers were much much larger than what they previously had produced.
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