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    Spec keep in mind the plants you are also mentioning are quite easy to grow. For an example to get an N. macrophylla to make an 8 inch pitcher is quite a devoted and hard task. Getting ventricosa to pitcher isn't really hard. I hope you see that point.

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    this might not make sence, but i have to disagree with you with plants with small pitchers, at the plant can easily support it, but i agree with you with plants with large pitchers. the plant with large pitchers can't support the pitchers easily (like your 15 inch rafflesiana pitcher), so when it has support, you get larger pitchers.
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    Exactly, that is the point Jeff is trying to explain.

    With this in mind here's some quick photos:

    [img]http://home.**********.com/nepenthesgracilis/pitcher1.JPG[/img]
    32.5 cm tall N. truncata pitcher produced hanging. This is 2.5 cm taller than the last one which was resting on the bench.

    [img]http://home.**********.com/nepenthesgracilis/pitcher2.JPG[/img]
    7.5 cm tall N. diatas 'meadow form' produced sitting on another Nepenthes pot of sphagnum. This is compard to 5 cm pitchers earlier.

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    There is one way to test wether it is the support, humidity, or something in the lfs makes the pitchers grow larger. Somebody has got to use some rods to support there pitchers. Then put plastic bags over a few pitchers, and put lfs under more pitchres. Also maybe tie some lfs to the pitcher without any support.

    oh yeah my nep is way to small to do all of these. So i'm just going to stick with the lfs. My nep is a N. ventricosa and has pitchers 5/8 inches tall. I've got everything else about it posted under N. ventricosa how long it takes to grow.

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    One thing i've noticed since i moved into my new pad is that the N. ventricosa on my windowsill has put out a pitcher twice as big as all previous pitchers. I have two or three possible reasons (too many variable changed all at once!):

    1- Increased light - direct sunlight for more hours of the day
    2- Cold nights - with the improved ventilation and the onset of fall, the nighttime temps are around 60 in the room. I don't think it liked the hot summer weather, either
    3- Fluctuating temps (night and day variation) - before the room was the same temp most of the time

    Of course, the change in conditions have caused all the old pitchers to die off, but if the new ones are all going to be 2x as big, i don't mind! You can also see the pitcher that was decapitated by a squirrel, a minor incident in a much bigger war...

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    Before we start testing hypothesis, we would like to make sure that most parameters are the same for all plants being tested and only 1 or 2 parameters are measured at any one time.

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    I would like to add a comment,
    My ventricosa is producing a pithcer at least a half inch taller than the previous pitchers, and it's still growing! Here's the reason for my posting: It is this plants first pitcher to rest on top of the LFS covering the pot! It also has the most mature freatures yet, most red, most bulbous bottom, etc. I don't know what the true factor is, but there is another bit of evidence supporting this hypothesis!! Also, this is my 1000th post!! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/alien.gif[/img] And I intentionally made it in the Nep forum, my favorite of course!!!!! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/alien.gif[/img]
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    well I stuck my pitchers on LFS lets see what happens.

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    The largest pitcher on both my ventrata so far did a quick loop around the edge of the basket, very near but not touching the moss, then got huge. What I notice about it is that it had room to grow, without a lot of leaves or other pitchers in the way. It had one dying pitcher nearby for support for a while, but just long enough? Location, location, location? Just to throw something else out there. I don't know.

    On the other plant, a group of large pitchers grew together hanging off the side of the other plant. I've posted pix of that clump. None are as big as that one though.

    My personal feeling is that the overall health of the plant will determine pitcher size, which will vary naturally from pitcher to pitcher all the time. The pitchers on all my neps are growing bigger than when I got them.

    I can't rule out the environmental factors on pitchers though. I've seen lots of potential pitchers get crowded by nearby leaves or pitchers, blocked by another plant, or get big seemingly out of nowhere. One ventrata leaf was looped by a confederate jasmine vine along a support chain about a week ago, which is holding the vertical growth of the whole ventrata up nicely. I'll be interested in seeing how that pitcher turns out.

    Mostly the pitchers that grow right on the moss in my baskets are not the biggest. But, of course, there are a couple REALLY big ones, just behind that one I mentioned at the top. Just to add to the confusion...

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    The problem with this whole concept is you have no way of knowing how large the pitcher was going to get beforehand. So saying it is now 1/2" larger than the last one means nothing. Maybe it was going to be a 1/2" larger even if it was dangling in mid air. Most likely what is changing (as Beagle mentions) are environment factors and plant nutrition/health/size from one pitcher to the next.

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