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    Part of the problem is the pitchers are not formed right. Which is why I asked if it does this all the time and if any other pictures are possible. I have had deformed pitchers on various species and hybrids due to environmental factors. Typically it is seen as no lids and scrunched tops of the pitcher.

    I don't see any ampullaria at all.
    Here is a pic of ampullaria x ventricosa I borrowed from Geoff Mansell. You can see how strongly ampullaria it looks even with ventricosa which is normally very strong in influencing hybrids in it's own right. The peristome on ampullaria goes in like a lobster trap it does not roll outward at all. And the narrow straight up ampullaria lid comes through generations of hybrids strongly. Not to mention it wipes out any type of constrictions in the middle of the pitcher and makes them much more squat. (I would expect xVentrata x ampullaria to look almost exactly like this as well)


    The little bit of leaf there and the pitcher both show alata influence. I am pretty sure it's xVentrata.
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    i dont see any ampullaria either

    im saying ventrata too
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    I am looking at the way the peristome is formed, it is funneled inward like Ampullaria. It was a guess after all. [img]http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/img]

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    I was guessing because of the peristome too... It looks very ampy... The lid isnt as close to the mouth as it would be if it was pure ventricosa, but the top half is too swollen to be ventrata... I think...

    Sorry for making a weird and demented guess... Hahaha...

    I didnt know that amps influenced stuff so strongly, i figured it would be mostly half and half OR some of this, and some of that, not like, totatlly taken over by the amp... Hmmm... I've learned lots [img]http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

    Oh, and FYI, :biggrin:doesnt work anymore, its with the letter D...

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    Having fun with Superthrive, eh?? ...that's 7 drops per gallon! [img]http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img] not per cup! [img]http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif[/img]

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    hi guys
    I'm not on strage ragah stories
    I'm not using any Superthrive or any other added stuff
    this plant grow together with common ventrata that act normal (todether with ampullaria , albo-marginata , khasiana and lowii all look just normal) under same light humidity and so on (I can put up a photo of both of them side by side).
    it not seems like just deformed pitchers due to environmental factors it was a cutting I had bring with me from Slovakia a year ago that grow the same over there (good reason why I bring it with me) .
    the lid at first seems deformed but later grow like it seen at the phot from inside side of the pitcher and what happened around it seems more strange.
    what I can say for sure it isn't malformed pitcher due to environmental factors.
    I would like to invite all to visit and see by themself (isn't so easy but feel free to come) [img]http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iBhtml/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]
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    well if it has always been that way then it is most likely a genetic thing. Which was why I asked for more background info ;>

    Sometimes you get a weird plant in hybrids because the chromosomes don't always match up properly. Or there may have been a mutation..
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    Thumbs up

    a mutation sound to me more close to true
    then malformed pitcher due to environmental factors.
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