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    Sorry William ;< Nothing to feel foolish over.. mistakes happen and very young Nepenthes are often difficult to tell apart, expecially when you only have a plant or to for comparisions. I would be interested to hear what Phill has to say.

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    Hi,

    Tamlin, this is the plant Phill provides as N. argentii - mine is absolutely identical. From what I've learned from Rob the N. argentii clone Phill sells does originate from him. So I was quite sure the plant is labeled correct... If you do contact Phill, Tamlin, I would be very interested in his comments concerning the origin of this clone.

    I always thought this clone doesn't match the description of Jebb & Cheek well due to its young age. Like it is for example with N. villosa, which does show very few of the typical hairs in young age and pitchers are also quite different from adult ones.

    The pitcher of Tony's plant also doesn't look like N. argentii to me, the shape is very different from what I do expect. Of course it still is quite young and this may very well be the cause for the different shape. A picture of the quite unusual peristome junction under the lid, figured very well in the description of N. argentii, may tell more.

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    Hmm.... The mystery deepens. I've just written to Phill about this. It's true that I did supply Phill with this species in sterile culture some years ago, but at that time it was so young as to make a positive ID when in the flask impossible. I did say at the time that I wasn't 100% sure of the ID. However, Phill is very field experienced and was subsequently happy it was OK. Of course, he may have also obtained cultures from elsewhere in the interim.

    Nepenthes' apprearance vary a great deal depending upon the growing conditions they are under. It's hard to say from the posted photo exactly how large the plant is, but leaf texture, pitcher form and tendril length can vary. For example, N. ampullaria looks very similar to N. x hookeriana to start off with. However in this case, the leaf attachment seems wrong to me. From what I can see on the photo it is decurrent on the plant shown while that of N. argentii is somewhat petiolate, even when young.

    Maybe we are all wrong and it is N. argentii. Whatever it is, I know that Phill would have shipped it in good faith, but mistakes can be made with small plants!
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    Ok, here two pics of my plant, which might help identifying it.

    [img]http://home.**********.com/Joachim/N_argentii_1202_A.jpg[/img]

    [img]http://home.**********.com/Joachim/N_argentii_1202_B.jpg[/img]

    The size of the lid is quite unusal even for a juvenile pitcher. It will be interesting to see what it really is.

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    Thanks for the pics Joachim!
    Looks just like a young N. sibuyanensis to me. I will try and take some pics later.

    There are too many things not right with it compared to every N. argentii seedling I have seen.
    Shape of the leaves.
    Petiole and attachment to the plant.
    Shape of the pitcher.
    Lack of fuzz/hairs.
    Tony

    (after looking at some plants in the ghouse I am thinking N. sibuyanensis. The large lid would be typical also. Many young Nepenthes have a lid which is very oversized for the pitcher however.)



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    Well Goofy Gosh!
    Add me tot he list of bewildered as I have the same plant from Phill. Mine has become less robust lately due to some late watering, but it was a good four inches in diameter and imbedding the pitchers into the moss(I have it in LF NZ sphagnum).

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    Ok I took some pics.. They are not the best quality as I was in a rush and getting a good macro shot takes alot of set up for real close up.

    Picture of plant that sorta shows a number of things:
    The fuzz all over the plant particularly on the tendril and edges of the leaves. The way the base of the leaf does not wrap around the stem and the narrower V shape of the petiole


    Picture of pitcher and tendril. Pitcher approximately 1.5 cm tall. This one is a little more bulbous than the other pitcher but if you look carefully it is a little constricted in the middle and then again around the top below the peristome.


    Close up of the peristome. A little hard to see but even at this young age it has some of the characteristic 'wings' flipping back under the lid. (oops sorry forgot to turn the picture 90deg before saving it)


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    with looking at the picture from what everyone posted and also looking at the one that is on Phills web page. tony your plant does look like a N. argentii. when i first saw the picture of tamlins plant it did look odd to me but it was still small and baby pitchers do look alot diff when they are mature. i also would like to know what is said.
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