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    Many thanks for the pics and your comments Tony!

    Jan, whom I ordered my "N. argentii" together with, told me the upper half of the newest pitcher of his "N. argentii" is reddish and the lower hald is green. So Tony is propably right with this plant being N. sibuyanensis.

    The lid of this plant is quite big compared to other seedlings from my experience. The only seedlings I do grow with a similar oversized lid is a N. maxima from New Guinea and of course N. sibuyanensis...

    After seing your pics, Tony, it is obvious that you've got the real N. argentii. I would have easily spotted the error on the label of my plant after seing them, but sadly pictures like these are not to be found anywhere on the net or in books available to me. Well this is the reason I do check your site and especially the pitcures regularly even though not being able to order from the US [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]

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    P.S.: If someone gets infos concerning the "N. argentii" from Phill please do forward them to me.

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    After scanning through my literature I do recommend reading through Phill's article on how he found N. argentii and N. sibuyanensis in CPN Vol. 27, No. 1 from March 1998. Both species being from the same island growing in similar altitude I do have an idea what had happened...

    Joachim

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    Well Tony, I'm in no doubt at all that the photos you posted are of N. argentii. Also, I now feel certain that Tamlin's photos are of something else. I'd bet my shirt that it's N. sibuyanensis, or a hybrid between N. sibuyanensis and N. argentii, or a hybrid between N. sibuyanensis and an undescribed species that we know grows nearby. I am talking with Phill to see if we can work out what's happened and how. I'll post here when we come to a conclusion. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] In the meantime, I'd just like to add that I've known Phill for nearly 20 years and know that he'd never send out any plant that he didn't feel sure was true to description.
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    Although I will never be the Cper that Phill Mann is, I will say that his lifelong dedication to both the plants and the people who grow them have been a source of inspiration to me, and has fostered my own sharing ethic. I remember when he stayed with me back in the early 80's after finishing up a world tour of visiting the growers of these plants: the legends who wrote the books! At the time, I had one 30 gallon substrate terrarium, lol. Although it was a very nice one and one I was proud of , I know that he had seen the greatest collections in the world. Still, he made me feel like one of the Masters, and he made big about it. So, do you think that after seeing my humble collection, and that I had nothing to offer to him personally that he promptly forgot me? He did not! We exchanged many handwritten letters in the days before the internet, and if I ever needed help with *anything* he was always there for me, and made me feel special as well. The argentii was simply another attempt to make another Cper happy yet one more time: and I know that I am only one of probably thousands who has been touched by his care and generosity. A more gracious man would be hard to find on earth, and I san say with assurance that he will make right on this. I could not imagine otherwise. I don't mind that the plant is not some rare and expensive thing, it will always be a treasured plant in my collection from having come from a friend whom is has been my honor and priveledge to know.
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    Hi,

    just as a note, before someone does get it wrong. It is no question at all that Phill shipped this plants being sure they are N. argentii. He is a very nice guy from my experience and of course won't ever do other. Very small Nepenthes being so similar to each other, it is often impossible to tell what species it is. Only after some years the real species may be seen. Of course none of us would wait that time before ordering a new species [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img] I'm absolutely sure we'll work out a good solution with Phill! To avoid further irritations and having people getting a wrong impression of him it may be best to delete this thread from the board!? (Tony?)

    Jaochim

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    I agree with you 100% Tamlin! You would be hard pressed to find a more dedictated and generous CPer than Phill. Although it is obviously a mix up on the species I am sure you will have just as much enjoyment growing it. N. sibuyanensis is a wonderful plant with big bulby pitchers and fat peristomes!

    Here is a picture of a 6" diameter plant with 2"tall pitchers.. and it's still a baby too!



    (ah Joachim posted while I was posting)
    I don't think we need to lock the thread. I don't see that anyone is putting down or attacking Phill. I believe we are all aware that unfortunate and unintentional mistakes happen and with very young Nepenthes it is very easy to do. I hope noone here feels like Phills character is in question!



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    Tamlin, just like you said i would charish the plant no matter what it was given to you as a gift from a friend.
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    You know after reading this thread and comments like "Argentii is hard to distinguish as a seedling" and such I will laugh so hard if you're all fooled and it turns out to be Argentii. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] We'll just have to wait and see what it is! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]

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