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    dose any body have a pic of n.bical x hamata or
    hamata x bical?[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif[/img]?[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif[/img]
    that would be the best!!!!!!!! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/ghostface.gif[/img]








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    To the best fo my knowledge this hybrid has not been made. And I think it will be a while before we see seedlings of it if it ever comes to exist.

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    i dont think it'll be a big deal. i think the extreme forms will cancel each other out.

    just look at Veitchii x Albomarginata (sp). Its pretty boring, compared to the fabolose N. Veitchii and the dainty N. Albomarginata.

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    Actually I was thinking that just such a hybrid would be a neat plant for the simple fact of: highlander (hamata) X lowlander (bicalcarata) and the size difference between the two small (hamata) X enormous (bicalcarata) plus both species are very fast growers for their forms. Whether the pitchers would be beautiful or have toothed peristomes or whos pitcher shape they would take after is anybodys guess but this is a hybrid I have wanted to make ever since getting into Nepenthes. I have both plants, all I need are the flowers, my plants will probably all turn out to be male...

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    Also consider that bicals' fangs are not a dominant trait, and that current hybrids with bical don't show much more than nubs where there would be fangs. The closest thing to looking dangerous is the cross of rafflesiana x bicalcarata, which shows an elongation of the neck peristome just below the lid. Certain raffs, such as the giant forms, have that double ridge of teeth where the peristome elongates into the neck. The top of the ridge becomes somewhat fang like just below the lid.
    I don't know of any hamata hybrids. Maybe there are some in nature. Are the peristome teeth a dominant trait, or do they disappear too? I would think crossing hamata to edwardsiana would make a mean looking hybrid-but good luck trying to pull that one off!
    I still opt for the highland x lowland crosses for ease of cultivation- bicalcarata x villosa, merrilliana x rajah (not likely anytime soon), or something like rafflesiana x burbidgeae should be a realistic cross to achieve-and would be very attractive.

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    Peristome ridges do not appear to be overly dominant much like the fangs of N. bicalcarata. You can get some idea how potential plants like N. hamata will react in a hybrid when you look at things using N. macrophylla, N. edwardsiana, N. villosa etc. What will be interesting are subsequent hybrids and F2 populations when you can get some recombination going and perhaps see some wider variety in morphological features. Of course this will depend on picking parent plants wisely for the desired traits (even if they are currently hidden in a recessive nature).

    Here is a picture of an interesting cross of N. maxima x trusmadiensis showing 2 different clones. N. x trusmadiensis still maintains fairly prominent ridges while N. maxima doesn't.


    One of the interesting features is N. macrophylla and apparently N. edwardsiana add alot to the width of the peristome. As evidenced by the clone on the left above and the following seedling from a cross of N. burbidgeae x N. edwardsiana.


    All very exciting as the plants get more mature and produce larger pitchers. N. hamata hybrids are in the works as we speak and will probably start trickling to the market next Spring. SO time will tell [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif[/img]
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]N. hamata hybrids are in the works as we speak and will probably start trickling to the market next Spring.
    Excellent!

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    Yes! And then maybe in a couple more years they will be in my price range! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif[/img]

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