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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (seedling @ Feb. 11 2004,10:10)]Sorry this might be a silly question but it was stated that all these clones started from the same collection.
    Huh, is my english that bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Joachim Danz @ Feb. 11 2004,20:03)]
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (seedling @ Feb. 11 2004,10:10)]Sorry this might be a silly question but it was stated that all these clones started from the same collection.
    Huh, is my english that bad?

    Joachim
    HUH? What does your English have to do with my question?

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    I think Joachim is stating he does not understand your question. Try a little rewording.

    And AFAIK, the clones were mainly from Malesiana's stock. As there are red,black,green and purple variants.

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    Ok to rephrase my question. Why cant we get new seeds from the wild to make new plants to clone?

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    How do you think we get cloned plants? Seeds were collected and placed in vitro (Tissue Culture) and we have "cloned" plants. Why would we want more seeds when we already have many N. hamata variants in circulation. I'm still unclear on to what your point is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Ch'ien Lee @ Dec. 12 2003,18:56)] Also, AFAIK nearly all of the N. hamata plants being circulated in the US orginate at some point or other from the MT stock. These plants come from a single seed collection made in Central Sulawesi in 1996 and are composed of 18 different sibling clones. There was a small bit of variation in these clones, mostly in the length and density of the peristome teeth, but also somewhat in the coloration (one clone was nearly black both inside and outside the pitchers) and the extent of bristles on the lid.
    Ok one last try : I am not trying to make a point, I was asking a question. If I understand correctly most of the plants in circulation are clones from the same original seed batch. I was just wondering why no one has tried to get more seed to have a greater diversity of plants? It just seemed to me to have only 18 plants to base a gene pool on is not much. I don't claim to know much about genetics so thats why I am asking.

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    Difficulties and expense in collecting the seed.. In some cases potential risk to ones own life in certain parts of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (seedling @ Feb. 13 2004,18:22)]
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Ch'ien Lee @ Dec. 12 2003,18:56)] Also, AFAIK nearly all of the N. hamata plants being circulated in the US orginate at some point or other from the MT stock. These plants come from a single seed collection made in Central Sulawesi in 1996 and are composed of 18 different sibling clones.
    Hi seedling,

    yes, I did understand your question, but the speculation Ch'ien made about a single seed collection is not true. In my translation of Andreas Wistuba's email I wrote that he has clones from different seed collections. This means that there had been at least two different seed collections and not all plants in cultivation originate from the same seed collection. - It seems that this wasn't clear in my post.

    And in answer to your question I'd think 18 different clones are quite good. In case of N. rajah and N. clipeata there are only three or four different clones in cultivation (apart from wild collected plants - which was legal many years ago). AFAIK N. hamata is not endagered in habit so there is no need to have a genetic pool in cultivation. In case of N. clipeata the situation is different. N. clipeata has not been found in habit and seems to be extinct (due to environment changes and most propably over-collection of Nepenthes enthusiasts [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html312/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/img] ). So a program to reestablish N. clipeata on G. Kelam has been started and therefore a big genetic pool is of course very valuable.

    Cheers Joachim

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