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    Very nice pitchers Bill.

    Question to everyone:

    From all I could find on the web....

    N. x Allardii = maxima x veitchii
    N. x Tiveyi = maxima x veitchii

    I have a N. Allardii and it does not have a stripped peristome (as 'most' references confirm) yet the references I found for N. Tiveyi 'mostly' show a striped peristome.

    Any logical explanation?
    Are they one and the same with variations?
    Are they from different forms of the parent plants as both Maxima and Veitchii can vary quite a bit?

    Thanks,

    Aaron.

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    Thanks for all the comments everyone. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]
    I got my N. x Tiveyi from a Belguim nursery cantharifera a few years back. At the time they did several forms of the hybrid including the candy striped peristrome (which I went for) and also a golden yellow one that must have looked a little like my N.veitchii.

    For some reason they don't keep it any more and I have not seen that hybrid anywhere else either. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_l_32.gif[/img]

    So I am glad I grabbed it when I had the chance.

    cheers

    bill

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    N. Tiveyi and Allardii are both maxima x veitchii, but from different grexes. Different plants were used, and there will be differences amongst the siblings as well.
    We're looking for a good female Tiveyii as well. They're hard to find in the USA.

    Trent

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    I think N. x tiveyi is much more beutiful.
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    those peristomes are awesome.... Can you post some pictures of the entire plants? I bet they are incredible....
    https://www.instagram.com/hull.jess/ (I post pics of my plants there)

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]N. Tiveyi and Allardii are both maxima x veitchii, but from different grexes. Different plants were used, and there will be differences amongst the siblings as well.
    The convention used by the ICPS Database is that when several names are given to the same hybrid, the earliest published name takes precedence and the later names are synonyms.

    In this case, N. x tiveyi {Hort.Veitch ex Mast.} published in 1897 takes precedence over N. x allardii {Hort.Lynch ex Bonst.} published in 1931 and N. x wittei {auct. non Elm.: Y.Fukatsu} published in 1999. Consequently, any offspring from the breeding of (maxima x veitchii) or (veitchii x maxima) should be called N. x tiveyi, no matter what they look like.

    If there are important differences in appearance, that is what the registered cultivar system is designed to accomodate.

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    tiveyi is maxima superba X veitchii

    allardii is maxima X veitchii.

    there is more than one maxima around and so is there more veitchiis around.

    Gus

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    I do not suggest re-labelling your allardii as tiveyii. All this does is add confusion to an already confused situation.
    Tiveyii was re-made in Australia a few years back. Thankfully, they are labelled as such so as not to confuse them with the 1897 grex.
    Also, does anyone know how many clones of allardii exist? Perhaps there is only one, which would qualify it as a cultivar.

    Trent

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