As it was explained to me-whatever beat the fungus also beat the Nepenthes [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_h_32.gif[/img]
I've heard about these mericlonings, but I also heard yield was low and somewhat impractical-so far. I know for a fact there have been some breakthroughs very recently as well. But I wonder if the N. allardii are mericlones, or the result from selected seed when something was crossed onto allardii?
I asked a local TC company, that I know does CPs, about the mericloning but got no direct response.
What I did find out from them was that the N. 'Allardii' we have commercially available here is originally from seed donated to the grower by a local hobbyist many years ago.
I'm not very up to pace on TC.....So…. would that indicate that there are some male and female plants that the growers have and they are TC'ing from the produced seed?
If so would that mean that there are possibly male and female plants available?
Although outside the scope of this topic, I do have more leads as to tracing down the original plant and where it came from (I know who donated the original seed and will try contacting them just for my own curiosity).
That would be interesting to know. It would also answer the question as to whether N. allardii is a single cultivar, or in fact a grex name post N. Tiveyi.
I paid a visit to Triffid Park last week.
They confirmed that some/all (?) of their Neps are mericloned and it is done locally. I did not want to press too much about who or where.
I did come across another thread here in which someone mentioned that once the plants are in tissue culture it is easier to mericlone from them as the stem material is already contaminant free.
x Tiveyi should refer to the maxima x veitchii hybrid done by the Veitch nursery in the 19th century. However, it seems that later crosses of maxima x veitchii have been named after the original cross. Accordingly, there are all sorts of variants running around as x Tiveyi, and it would be almost impossible to tell whether it's descended from a cutting of the original cross or a later one. You get generic names like x Hookeriana which is used to refer to any cross of rafflesiana and ampullaria (because it's a natural hybrid).
My opinion exactly. I find it somewhat questionable to name remakes after the old Victorian originals. I know it's been done, but at least the breeder qualified the grex as a remake: ie. N. dicksoniana (Australia). This is a remake of the old Victorian hybrid of rafflesiana x veitchii...made in Australia. The Mansell's also have made this cross, but simply refer to it as (rafflesiana 'Kondo' x veitchii 'lowland'). This certainly differentiates their remakes from the old originals. I take a similar position on the N. Allardii question. By naming the grex N. Allardii, the breeder certainly seperates those plants from all other max x veitchii. These crosses were made a long time ago, and to avoid confusion, I see them as "grandfathered in". The same for the Japanese hybrids. Anyone hybridizing Nepenthes today should be using the cultivar naming methods described by the ICPS on their website. In quick summary: the hybrid bears the cross parentage, female clone named first. If the there are superior clones that stand out from the rest of the grex, then give them cultivar names-not a pseudo-scientific name- and write up a description for publication(or have someone else do it).
Also, thanks for the info on the mericloning. If you find out more, let us know.
Very nice pics Bill!! Thanks for posting them. Nive highland vietchii.
Your Tiveyi, or max x vietch, or whatever they want to call it looks exactly like mine.
I guess it's better to have it and not know what to call it, than the opposite. hehehe [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]
Do you grow it as a highland or lowland?
It's totally outrageous!!! I think it should be called N. Tiveyii 'R. L. Hirst', or simply, Nepenthes 'R. L. Hirst': it deserves cultivar status.
Right now, Michelle and I are in the process of writing articles describing new Nepenthes cultivars. Be in touch.
Thanks for finding out about the mericloning (I mentioned this in my comments to SydneyNeps). True mericlones such as from the Allardii would come from the apical meristem(growth point) of the plant rather than from a seed. This is how an established cultivar can be mass produced. I know this has been done, but only just recently, and the exact specifics are proprietary info.
Just to add to the confusion...
Trying to find out more info on this plant,and after hearing the description of N allardii, I found this pic http://www.triffidpark.com.au/htm_pag....ap1.jpg of N Allardii from triffid park.
Then I dug up this old pic of my plant when it was young...I'll let you decide, but I'm convinced this is the plant I am growing. Sorry about the confusion.
My apologies to everyone I traded cuttings with, and you to Gus [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]
You now have N. Allardii. ( I think )