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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Spectabilis73 @ Sep. 05 2004,7:40)]Actually its referred to as Cricket [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]

    i'd keep em in my greenhouse, propagate em, and distribute them
    me too, well once i get my greenhouse this winter [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]
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    Thanks for the info Tamiln, I haven't yet read the threads on the listserve, was planning on printing them out and collating them to see what can be learned. Didn't realise it had got so personal or that there had been animosity. There seems to be some blurring on the listserve at times between people who just want to enjoy their hobby and learn more and people who harbor academic grudges against one another.

    I was planning on submitting something very simple to CPN, as you put it:
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    Quote[/b] ] This can be done with a good photo and a few well chosen words, and is not the complex process that they would make it into.
    Sums it up really. I'll just be careful not to publish anything that is not definitely unique. Got a heap of stuff here now that has been selected carefully for various interesting characteristics.

    Thanks again for the guidance.
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    Well, I hate to admit it Tamlin, but when you are right, you're right. I was definitely wrong when I maintained there really is no anti-Tamlin group(or anti- Matt group) , or Terraforums vs Listseve dividing line. I am definitely a "lets all get along" person, and I refused to believe it, but after the postings about cultivars on the listserve, I am inclined to believe you. Sorry I even doubted you. I am sad about it, as I am still in the middle and like both venues for information.
    But back to the discussion at hand:
    Rob, whatever you name the toothy amp, I love it. I don't see how anything from the listserve's discussion that you will be reading has any bearing on this. It is different than other spotted amps, and that is that.
    You may have more problems with Tricolor. Between the three red amps you have(Cantley's, tricolor and Williams), there is a definite difference in the amount of red. The problem I see, is that some may just look at them all and say "They are all red amps-what's the deal?"
    I guess it would be similiar to asking about a striped veitchii. There is quite a bit of variance in the striping, and also the color of the pitcher(gree to pinkish). If anyone remember's Ch'ien Lee's picture from the old Malesiana site, that is what I am personally looking for. But, they are all N. veitchii. Maybe this is a poor comparison, but this is how I see it.

    Cheers,

    Joe

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    hi Joe, Rob, Tamlin and all,

    Some of the comments and opinions on "The Digest" have been eye-rollingly retentive, and generally we stay clear. However, some of these opinions do have some bearing on matters that concern us (Michelle and myself).
    We plan to register several Nepenthes cultivars- and the reason is some of these plants are getting distributed around. They're mostly easy growers, and are selected plants from a grex that often included dozens of seedlings. They are the cream of the crop. Cultivars are for horticulture, as William stated. It's not a scientific description. If someone doesn't like your cultivar, then they don't have to buy, trade, swap for it. It's that simple. The "big boys" don't even bother with cultivar registration: ie. N. Gentle, N. Miranda.
    I like the cultivar name Hamish came up with for ampullaria tricolor: N. 'Harlequin'. Very appropriate. BE's red amps such as 'William's Red' and tricolor are easily distinguished from the other red amps. But more importantly, they are being distributed within horticultural circles-so they are already recognised.
    I could go on about all this cultivar...stuff, but simply don't have the time to get into it today...

    Trent

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    I have to say that living in fear of what someone on the listserv might have to say about anything is really not my style, or the style of most. Who cares if someone there likes it or approves? EVeryone there is focused on Cultivar$. Soon there will be a judging authority made up with the likes of these professional snoots to say "yea" or "nay" to published cultivars and affix their seal of approval to any publications they deem "worthy". Then, you will need to kiss up - but for now there IS no such authority and I frankly hope it stays that way. Publication is the right of every author and I really think the community can judge what is desirable or not all on their very own!

    Joe, Matt has put every public forum between the two of us, and now he's tried it with the ICPS as well. I can no longer post to the listserve or CP UK without persecution from him and his cronies. Their tactics would earn them a place on a Republical Election committee: repeat a lie enough times and it becomes true. What I CAN do is to continue to publish via Journals, and I will. I used to love the Listserv too and I know you have friends there. Just be careful not to offend the gods.
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    This is downright fascinating stuff. It's wonderful to see the breadth of discussions on this forum. There also seems to be sufficient self-restraint that the moderators seldom have to intervene.

    I just recently rejoined the listserv after many years and haven't read much on it so far. Seems like it's a real free-for-all soap box to me, but perhaps that's not so bad if it keeps such people happy. After all, you don't have to read it.

    Hamish, Harlequin! Like it! like it!

    I believe that in the orchid world, just a slightly different hue to the coloration warrants a cultivar name so long as it can be shown to be significantly different. The first one we will probably try to publish is the William's Red. I know I've posted this elsewhere on the forum before but looking at this:



    When compared to the red, I think William's Red can be described as "burgundy" N'est ce pas? My hand however, can probably best be described as "spook"...
    Rob Cantley
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    Burgundy to be sure!

    The nice thing about the ICBN Cultivar prerequisite for a real honest to god photo (unlike the prerequisites for publishing taxa at a higher level like species) really clarifies the published description very adequately. Thats the simple beauty of the system, what it looks like is what it is.

    If you want to really nail a particular form as your own, look for something yours has that is unique, and not just color. Other growers in theory could produce your "William's Red", but identical plants would be unlikely. Yours will have something no other similar forms may have, an inevitable expression of individual variation. The trick is to be able to grasp that difference and be able to describe it. That way your name applies only to your own production of "William's Red". The color may not be enough to do this, but a consistent expression like the shape of the lid or length of the tendril very well might.
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    Wow that is quite burgundy!
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