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    Nepenthes Specialist nepenthes gracilis's Avatar
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    N. truncata lowland I PERSONALLY feel isn't "death on crutches" slow but just steady. I grow mine in highland conditions (oft dropping down to around 10-8C this time of year) since the majority of my collection is highland plants. Perhaps I just do not notice how slow it really is since I have so many other plants to watch on!

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    Not to mention you can supply it with a healthy meal of salamanders, occasionally..... [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]

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    Thank you Hamish for the clarification.. Yes I was wondering if it was lowland or highland truncata, and if it was typical lowland color, so that I could get a good idea of what the predator will end up looking like. I was hoping the truncata used would be a red peristome lowaland, to me that would be the best form and color to use, as it perfectly compliments hamata's shape, and color. We should end up with what looks like a large hamata [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img] of course I don't expect the teeth to be as pronounced, but after I cross it again with one of my hamata, it should be PERFECT!! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img]

    Hmmm.. What should we call that hybrid? Terminator?...Alien?....the Thing? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]

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    As the N. xPredator plants mature, I am curious to see how much variation there will be amongst the siblings, especially the peristomes.


    Trent

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    Hi Trent:

    If you go to Geoff's webpage you can see there are a couple of siblings which look remarkedly different from each other even though the peristome looks very similar!. bumpy and cute.

    It'd be very difficult to predict that the teeth of the N X predator would be larger than those of the hamata parent, since one of the parents has no teeth in the peristome, as is the case of truncata. The only chance one has to get something with larger teeth than the hamata parent, in my judgement is to cross

    Hamata X villosa
    Hamata X macrophylla
    Hamata X edwardsiana

    Or any other neps with large teeth. Please notice i said "a chance to get larger teeth". Dominance or codominance should prevail, hopefully.

    Gus

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    Trent,
    I can see from successive pitcher development, on at least the seedlings I have, that the teeth of the mature pitcher will be less pronounced than hamata.

    [img]http://home.**********.com/users/rlhirst/neps/predator.jpg[/img]

    I am guessing they will end up looking similar to diatus teeth, depending on the seedling one get's. I do agree though that the upper pitchers will have relativley bigger teeth than the lowers
    I believe they would have to be crossed again with hamata to get more hamata size teeth


    Gus,
    After looking at your list, it came to me that you wouldn't need truncata at all to make a hamata pitcher both larger, including hybrid vigour, and with bigger teeth than the parent. If you simply crossed any of the plants on your list, they "may" exhibit the size increase some crosses display, such as red leopard, or maxima x veitchii do. ... or am I way off here?


    Of course I must have all the crosses you named!!!.....(rubbing hands together).... I can't get the picture of Hamata X edwardsiana out of my head!

    Robin [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smilie4.gif[/img]

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    Nice pics Robin. Looks like you haven't put them down yet since they got there LOL.

    I don't expect tons of variation in the seedlings. Most primary hybrids are fairly uniform since you have a nice even split on the chromosomes. To bring out a wide amount of variation you could add another species but simply crossing 2 N. Predator together would give you alot of chromosome recombination and perhaps a small percentage would then exhibit the big ol teeth again.

    Tony
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    LOL ! You got me Tony!

    I am very proud of my new plants [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img] [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img] Thank You again!

    Crossing 2 Predators sounds promising... I hope you will be working on that soon ! [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]
    Put me on the waiting list!

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