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    Hi The Griffin ,
    Yes, my humble nursery sells CP of Thailand in-country. We just serve international order with online payment. But for Viking , we have very limited plants and half of the best Vikings in our stock are going to send to our distributor in Australia next week. Please find out for details in my web.
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    Nong, thank you for the information. I hope you can successfully propagate your N. "Neothorel" and bring good luck to your nursery.

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    Very interesting indeed. Great pictures as well. .. Must build a bigger lowland area!

    While the N. viking pitchers look superficially like N. rowanae, the plants look less similar. I wouldn't be surprised to find that they are coming from an old hybrid between N. mirabilis and rafflesiana that has now moved into becoming it's own species.

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    Tony may be right on that. You can see a scenario where the cross is made by nature, the seed spread, and then someone comes along and collects the mature plants in the area, not noticing the little seedlings.

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    I've actually seen a number of clones of raff x mirabilis, (excluding the three different clones we have) and none of them approach the radical shape of Viking. Personally, I go with the "mirabilis subspecies" idea: something similar to the divergence occurring in the Cape York area. I could also see it as a sort of subspecies or related species to the anamensis-thorelii group. It will be interesting to see what the taxonomists say....

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    Then perhaps N. raff x something like those red Tiger N. thorelii.. Doesn't at all look like something derived solely from N. mirabilis to me. The plants have a distinct (to me) N. rafflesiana look to the way they grow.

    Must also keep in mind that you can't necessarily judge by a primary hybrid in a collection. IF it these vikings are derived from a hybrid population that is going through speciation then there would be f2 populations etc which would bring out a wide range of characteristics among the population when you have the f1 plants breeding between themselves and perhaps back to either or both parent. Perhaps what we see today are the result of those that resembled one parent more (the squat big wings) winning the competition over the individuals that had different prominent traits.

    Genetic analysis would certainly be really helpful here!
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    Definitely have a raff look...There is some advantage to "the design" -round, squat shape with big wings, that appears to give rafflesiana and Viking an advantage in their respective eco niches. The same shape also seems to have worked advantageously in the Cape York swamps(N. rowanae). I've always liked Charles Clarkes idea of prey specialisation causing different pitcher shapes.
    I could go with the tiger thorelii x raff speculation...they all seem possible!

    Trent

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    Hay nong, any way to read your website? I dont speak thai. I think it looks more like mirabilis x bicalcarata, if they are in the same area that is. But it looks a lot like that hybrid.

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