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    Pervillei is different because it is not cross fertile with other Nepenthes species. It also has morphological differences compared with other Nepenthes species, particularly in relation to its flowers and seed.

    Cross genus fertility does not exist, as far as I'm aware.

    What constitutes a species is an interesting discussion. There is a parrot that is found all along the east coast of Australia (which is, lengthwise, a phenomenal distance). The colouring changes gradually as you go from north to south. However, the northern parrots can interbreed with the ones from the central region, the ones from the central region can interbreed with both northern and southern forms, but the northern and southern forms cannot breed with each other.
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    A quick look at the orchid world and you will find that intergeneric hybrids are all over the place. With some complex hybrids having 4 or 5 different genera represented.
    Is that a Nepenthes in your pocket or you just happy to see me?

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    Very true, although classification of orchids into genera is a similar thing to classifying Nepenthes into species.... I have a feeling that each lots of plant nerds in the past created classifications according to their own predilictions.
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    Sorry, I should call them botanists [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]
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    You should call me, i'm sorry, not that far yet, i mean them, botanists.

    Anyway, so Pervilli can't interbreed with other neps? Or is it like the chicken and the other bird a while back, where they can breed but the little ones are sterile.

    Even though the offspring might be infertile between drosera and Nepenthes (hypothetically) it would be pretty interesting.

    back to the original subject here...

    I think a Rajah x Macrophylla would create Gigantic pitchers, cross that with, say, a hybrid between truncata and merrilliana, and you have and extreemly tolerant plant. As an added bonus, you have incredibly large pitchers. And if the peristome of Macrophylla survives all that hybridizing, it will have a neat peristome too. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

    Wow, that was a pretty good idea for thinking it up in about a second...

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    There is actually a natural hybrid between rajah and villosa. It is quite nice, but not as attractive as either parent species. The peristome is a compromise between the rajah and the villosa, and size is much the same as rajah. IMO, a hybrid between rajah and macrophylla would probably be even less impressive, as macrophylla has the least pronounced peristome teeth of villosa, macrophylla and edwardsiana. The rajah x villosa hybrid is also known as x kinabaluensis. Some pictures can be seen at:

    http://www.edit.ne.jp/~teroosa/Nepen...baluensis.html

    http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~dvcammen/B...nepenthes3.htm - the picture titled "Mount Kinabalu, N. villosa ( or maybe N. x kinabaluensis, a natural hybrid)" - it is kinabaluensis, as is the one under it.

    http://www.wildsidephotography.ca/nepenthes.html
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    Botanists have told me that they live in a publish or perish world and there are "lumpers" and "splitters". These days there are more botanists publishing more things in more journals than at any time before, so when one of them gets their teeth into our beloved plants you can expect changes, whether or not they are justified.

    Having said that, we are fortunate to have some good guys in this field who are publishing. Charles Clarke for example is an ecologist and has scant patience for some of the nit-picking arguments that go on. Ch'ien Lee is also not a botanist by profession but knows what he is doing. Both these guys have extensive field experience which contrasts with many armchair botanists who may be technically excellent but lack field experience and don't realise how variable some species can be when they are not crispy brown and 2 dimensional.

    A top botanist (and I mean TOP) in this field told me last year that a N. venticosa I was looking at was not N. ventricosa because it was red and all N. ventricosa are (according to him) white.... [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_n_32.gif[/img]
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    And add to that the assumulated baggage of literally hundreds of years of descriptions, misdescriptions and redescriptions. Some species are really borderline, and some intraspecies stuff shows more variation. It drives me completely batty. But not being a botanist, I have to sit on the sidelines and watch the cat fights...
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