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Thread: N. alata 'palawan isle.'

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    This is supposed to be N. alata 'Palawan Island' but I have to say I am not confident in this ID.

    Although a small plant there seems to be none of the characteristic Alata traits like a keel under the pitcher lid and define petiole.

    What do you think?





    It certainly is slower growing than any of my other Alata's and is quite sensitive to temps and humidity fluctuations (still relative to my other Alata).

    AJ.

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    My educated guess would be that it isn't N.alata 'Palawan Island'. The wings seem a bit too big and it has prominent spikes down them whereas the real palawan only has flat wings and no spikes. Does it have a pointed inward tip on the bottom of the peristome? I couldn't tell from the picture and in the top one I thought I could see it. Looks like a N.alata 'red form' to me. The one in the picture has more of a round peristome whereas the 'palawan island' form has a upside down loveheart peristome.

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    I "thought" that form of N. alata had been changed to N. philippinensis(after being N. wilkeii for a short time), but it's been a long time since I had been in the loop.

    Cheers,

    Joe

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    Kinda what I thought, Joe. In the CPN several years ago there was an article on Philippine Neps, and there were pictures of an alata-like species found growing near some waterfalls on Palawan. They were attractive, as I recall. I'll dig thru my back issues and see if I can find that. It might have been Phil Mann and friends?[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/confused.gif[/img]
    I think Rob Cantley knows something about it as well...

    Trent

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    Could it possibly be an immature plant of what Borneo Exotics calls N. sp. 2 (Philippines) ?

    The description gives it a lowland altitude distribution, but does not verify Palawan. It looks like the plants pictured in the article in CPN (see my post above).
    Perhaps Rob can clarify...

    Trent

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    @Christian,
    Not sure on that "tip", I'll have to have a look for you.

    @Joe,
    I did a Google search under the various names. I found photos taken by Phill of both the Palawan N. alata and N. philippinensis. They looked different to each other:

    N. philippinensis
    N. alata 'Palawan Island' (bottom of page)

    Unfortunately neither are of immature pitchers like mine so difficult to make a comparison.

    @Trent,
    I should add that this is actually one of Phill's plants so I would think his ID was accurate. It was just the non-alata like appearance that has thrown me. I might check with him to see if it is seed grown. If it is them MAYBE there is a chance it is a hybrid?

    Isn't the domed lip synonymous with a few other species?

    Aaron.

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    Really hard to say on young plants. The absence of a keel, as well as the shape and domed lid, could simply be age related.

    Phill's photos you linked there of the Palawan Island look alot like many of the Mansell's lowland forms.

    Which issue of the CPN are you looking at Trent?

    Tony
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    Thanks Tony.

    Looks like patience will have to prevail again [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_m_32.gif[/img]

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