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    What happens when you cross different kind of Nepenthes species loads of times, each time with another species?

    For example:
    ((((((northiana x hamata) x truncata) x miranda) x lowii) x vogelii) x macrophylla) x etc..
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    It will have the most characteristics of the last plant right?
    But does the plant have an increased chance of redeveloping characteristics of it’s parents (evolution) because of a more diverse gene pool or something?

    What about the hybrid vigorous phenomenon, will it become a more vigorous plant every time?

    And last, has anyone ever done something like this? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img]
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    I would assume that the last parrent into the mix would be the dominant, as it is 50% v/s 25% of the last parrent, 12.5 of the one before that, etc....However, if a gene is in there, it may influence things....and I genes have a funny way of observing "dominance."

    In short, I can guess, but don't really know.
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    You probably would create a very bland looking hybrid eventually, all the traits wouldn't show through.

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    The other thing that happens when you cross Nepenthes multiple times is that the fertility drops with every cross, so that the amount of viable seed you get decreases with each more complex hybrid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (nepenthes gracilis @ Dec. 22 2004,3:47)]You probably would create a very bland looking hybrid eventually, all the traits wouldn't show through.
    Yeah that would make sense, well at least of all the previous species. The last parent still has 50% influence like any other hybrid but perhaps because of so many ‘different genes’ (combinations) one may augments certain characteristics of the latest parent. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile.gif[/img] Just thinking out loud here...

    SydneyNeps > Yea heard about that, but is it always the case? Isn’t it possible that a certain hybrid is a ‘good combination’ and produces more seed? [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/new/smile_r_32.gif[/img]
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    Gotta agree with Dustin-you get a bland, generic looking Nep.
    We just recently brought in a bunch of Geoff Mansell's hybrids combining three species: veitchii, maxima, and northiana.
    Crossing (northiana x veitchii) with Mixta and Tiveyi, and then crossing veitchii or maxima back into the mix you get some really nice, showy Nepenthes hybrids! The peristome and pitcher colors and combinations of color are beautiful. Some of these hybrids are four generations down the line. I don't know what seed viability problems may be occurring, but those three species do seem to make a magical combination.
    Other hybrids, including primaries, are completely sterile. As an example: the N. Ventrata we all have(in the USA and Europe) that comes from Belgium.
    There's so much more to do and learn with Nepenthes hybrids...

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    (northiana x veitchii) with Mixta and Tiveyi, and then crossing veitchii or maxima

    in that mix you have a good potion of northiana and maxima predominating as mixta is a cross of northiana and maxima so its not as complicated of a cross as it looks like. im not sure what cross tiveyi is though. i can imagine that the pitchers on this cross would be excellent. maxima x vietchii crosses are outstanding usually. mixta is quite showy. i hope to have veitchii x (spathulata x maxima) seeds as i think it will produce some awesome cultivars.
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    Tiveyi is another maxima x veitchii. I have a (northiana x veitchii) x maxima, which is a really ordinary hybrid that I got as a freebie in an order from Geoff. It is nowhere near as attractive as any of the parent species. My test for a hybrid is, is it more impressive than both parent species? The answer is nearly always no, they are mostly compromises between parents. There are a few exceptions, but there are generally from species with complementary traits.
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